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Author Topic: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place  (Read 3698 times)

TheStig

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In the Belgian Grand Prix after receiving a 25-second penalty. First place goes to Felipe Massa (Ferrari), with Nick Heidfeld (BMW) promoted to second place


http://www.sportinglife.com/others/news/story_get.cgi?STORY_NAME=others/08/09/07/AUTO_Belgian_Snap.html

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Offline Ian

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #1 on: September 07, 2008, 05:37:18 PM »
If that is correct Stig it is totally disgusting.
An aircraft landing is just a controlled crash.

Offline cosworth151

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #2 on: September 07, 2008, 05:40:02 PM »
What a crock of crap! Lewis dropped back to second after that and then re-passed Kimi. Ferrari International Assistance strikes again!
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Chameleon

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #3 on: September 07, 2008, 06:13:09 PM »
Let us hear no more crap from Ferrari fans that the FIA is not biased towards their team.  Hamilton did all that was required by the rules in the Spa GP and is still penalised, Massa is released from his pit lane another car in Valencia and receives a paltry and illegal fine - if that is not a deliberate attempt to ensure that Ferrari and one of its drivers wins the championships this year, I don't know what is.
Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

Offline Steven Roy

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #4 on: September 07, 2008, 08:09:06 PM »
Ferrari International Assistance to the rescue again.  Absolutely ludicrous interpretation of the facts. 

Given the nonsensical precedent set at the last race McLaren gained no sporting advantage since Kimi stuck his car in the wall.  So Lewis would have won anyway.

Offline johnbull

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 09:00:48 PM »
The Ma FIA is sick.
Joe M. Anastasi.
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Offline Scott

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #6 on: September 08, 2008, 10:30:04 AM »
I don't know what I would do if I were Ron.  It must be just exhausting knowing how much work they do to create a great car, even with all the restrictions they're under (financial and technical) and then have the rug pulled out from under them every few races by the FIA.  I know I am pretty sick of it.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline cosworth151

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #7 on: September 08, 2008, 02:16:02 PM »
I think this sums it up very well. It's titled "The weekend racing died."

http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/news/detail/080908114903.shtml
“You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
― Bob Dylan

Offline Scott

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #8 on: September 08, 2008, 08:25:33 PM »
I saw on another forum someone saying that Lewis should have let Kimi through "properly". 

Just what IS properly?  After cutting the chicaine, he slowed (ok, did not accelerate as quickly as Kimi - technically he didn't 'slow') to let Kimi past and then went down the other side of him to make the pass into the hairpin.  Kimi's car was not good in the wet, that much was obvious judging by the previous couple of laps, so it is likely that the McLaren already had an advantage (but that's probably against the rules, isn't it), not one gained by cutting the chicaine.  Even though they were wheel to wheel, Kimi gave him absolutely no room to stay on the track, so he had no choice but to cut the corner.
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #9 on: September 08, 2008, 11:49:39 PM »
According to Article 30.3, there is no "properly" - if you leave the track, you can be penalised whatever you do. The trouble is that years of precedent contradict what the FIA has done.
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Offline Scott

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #10 on: September 09, 2008, 10:13:51 AM »
Really?  Just leaving the track can draw a penalty?  I had no idea.  I thought leaving the track in most cases was penalty enough.  If you are able to get back on, then good for you - penalty served.  Cutting a chicaine is another story of course, but I thought they would be specific about that. 

I have a great idea.  Have big bags of soap suds nailed to the ground across all chicaine's so if someone cuts one, they will blast through them, and then take a few hundred metres to clear their vision, allowing anyone else around them an advantage.   :D
The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

Offline Steven Roy

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #11 on: September 09, 2008, 12:48:59 PM »
I like the idea Scotty but the FIA won't implement it unless there is an override button in case a Ferrari goes through the suds.

Offline rmassart

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #12 on: September 09, 2008, 04:27:23 PM »
Here's an interesting interview with Lauda about that. Maybe he should be the technical adviser to the stewards.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport2/hi/motorsport/7604776.stm

Offline johnbull

Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #13 on: September 09, 2008, 06:37:07 PM »
That article about not being allowed to go off the track is nonsense.

So why are they constantly building tracks with massive run off areas if you're not allowed to use them.

Perhaps Max prefers drivers to hit barriers.

What a load of absolute nonsense.
Joe M. Anastasi.
JOHN BULL RACING.   MALTA.
www.johnbullmalta.com

TheStig

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Re: Lewis Hamilton (McLaren) has been demoted from first place to third place
« Reply #14 on: September 09, 2008, 06:40:36 PM »
You can all sign a petition against this ruling at:
http://www.petitiononline.com/mod_perl/signed.cgi?belgp08

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