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Author Topic: So was it collussion?  (Read 3358 times)

Offline Andy B

So was it collussion?
« on: October 06, 2008, 07:29:12 PM »
I was asked after the Singapore GP if Piquet put the Renault in the wall so as to let Alonso gain an advantage, rubbish say's I it could never be kept a secret. :nono:

Autosports reports on the GP also raised the issue in the magazine although briefly but would it really be possible? I still dont think so but it seem to have crossed the minds of some of the hacks who frequent the GP's. :DntKnw:

What do you think? If Piquet retains the drive for next year would that confirm it?


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Offline Steven Roy

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2008, 07:37:33 PM »
I have no doubt some people could think such a thing but if you were going to do it you would do it nearer the end of the race to prevent any of the usual suspects fighting back.

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Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #2 on: October 07, 2008, 12:29:48 AM »
Tangling deliberately with another competitor I could buy but having a crash all by yourself is really off the menu. You just can't predict the outcome, in personal injury terms, of a crash at speed even though F1 has got a lot safer in the last decade. No driver especially one who is still at an early point in his career would take the risk. 
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Offline Scott

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #3 on: October 07, 2008, 10:44:11 AM »
I think I already mentioned that in my hero's and zero's...but it was tongue in cheek.  No chance could or would they do such a thing.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #4 on: October 07, 2008, 12:57:11 PM »
A shunt like that one was far to dangerous AND expensive. If a Safety Car was their goal, they could have pulled a Schumi-at-La Rascasse, especially on the narrow street circuit.
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #5 on: October 08, 2008, 09:58:09 PM »
I think Piquet Jr is sufficiently uncomfortable in that Renault that him going off all by himself by accident at that point was entirely plausible. That it benefited Alonso was pure, if happy, coincidence.

The easiest way to do it deliberately would have been to pretend to have a breakdown at the pit entry. In fact, that may even have brought out a red flag, increasing Alonso's advantage (his standing starts being even better than his rolling ones).
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Offline raindancer

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #6 on: October 09, 2008, 05:54:07 AM »
My God ! Alonso is really a pariah here not counting the fact that he is one of the top three drivers in F1. The poor guy drove his heart out and still we are talking about Nelson crashing deliberately to improve his chances.
A safety car is a lottery and even a thought like this is ludicrous.
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Offline Ian

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #7 on: October 09, 2008, 06:16:32 PM »
Although I'll admit Alonso impressed me in Singapore, I certainly would'nt name him in my top 3 drivers. How often has he won coming from the middle, he can win starting from the front but he gets too rattled when in the middle of the grid.
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Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #8 on: October 09, 2008, 07:46:09 PM »
Yeah your'e right Ian, he's good but I can think of four I would place above him at present.

It's the old impondrable question, is it the car or the driver making the WDC in any season? With the right machine it can look to easy, but equally a driver head and shoulders above the rest like Clark or Fangio can make it look easy a well.

Alonso did have to work for his second WDC when other cars on the grid had a better package, but I don't think his Renault was far enough off the pace to put him in the same rarified company as the great masters.

He is certainly a safe pair of hands when he gets in a winning position but, sadly, he all to often loses it when in mid pack.
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Offline Ian

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #9 on: October 09, 2008, 08:47:25 PM »
You know what John, I'd like to see Button in a good car, not necessarily a Ferrari or McLaren but I've always reckoned him a good driver and I think he would show a few people up.
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Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2008, 10:33:58 PM »
You know what John, I'd like to see Button in a good car, not necessarily a Ferrari or McLaren but I've always reckoned him a good driver and I think he would show a few people up.

Preferably a Honda in 2009, well dreams are free aren't they. ;)
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Offline Dare

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #11 on: October 09, 2008, 11:15:05 PM »
I think a lot of us underestimate Alonso
because of the way he acts.

Like it or not I rate Alonso as good as
Hamilton,Massa,or Kimi :tease:
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Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #12 on: October 09, 2008, 11:37:34 PM »
It's not to late for Fifi to sign Ferd for next year Dare. :crazy:
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Offline Dare

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #13 on: October 09, 2008, 11:39:56 PM »
Alonso at Force India,reminds me od a
movie I saw as a kid

Stranglers of Bombay
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Offline Steven Roy

Re: So was it collussion?
« Reply #14 on: October 09, 2008, 11:56:00 PM »
For me Alonso is still in the top three.  Button has been overrated his whole life as far as I can see and I really don't understand why Honda are throwing buckets of money at him.  It's not as if he has blown away Rubens.

 


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