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Author Topic: McLaren fear over Lewis car  (Read 6463 times)

Offline Steven Roy

Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #30 on: October 26, 2008, 04:26:32 PM »
Quote
Let me pose a question at you.Do you think
Alonso would have lost the driving championship
if he had a 17 point lead with 2 races left?

Probably not.  But could Alonso as a rookie have gained a 17 point lead on a reigning double world champion team mate with equal equipment and all the hullabloo that was going on?  Absolutely not.

It is fine to say that McLaren should have backed Alonso at the start of the season.  Surely by half way by that logic they should have backed Lewis as clear number oe since he had lead the championship for a while by then.

I really don't understand what wasting two years of his life in a Honda would prove. 

Offline Dare

Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #31 on: October 26, 2008, 05:35:10 PM »
That's why I don't think Alonso will go
to Honda either.With Renault he won 2
races[one with the aid od a sc]

Why would he risk a wasted year at Honda
with their recent history.That said Honda
will probably be the sleeper team next year
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

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Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #32 on: October 26, 2008, 08:07:49 PM »
Why would he risk a wasted year at Honda
with their recent history.That said Honda
will probably be the sleeper team next year

Well that will make a change from the Asleep team of the last 2 years. :'(

The word is Honda have got a bigger rubber band on their KERS than anyone else so roll on 2009. :yahoo:
« Last Edit: October 26, 2008, 08:09:24 PM by John S »
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Offline Steven Roy

Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #33 on: October 27, 2008, 03:16:58 AM »
Just to carry on being awkward I think it is a bad sign that Honda are talking so much about KERS for next season.  I hope it is just distraction for their sake.  KERS is going to be a minor feature in determining car performance.  Honda would be far better forgetting completely about KERS and concentrating on producing a good chassis with good aero and updating their engine when the engine sorbet becomes slushy.

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Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #34 on: October 27, 2008, 07:27:12 AM »
You are undoubtably right Steven that a 2009 car will need more than good KERS, but I think Honda see potential in KERS for road car applications. They already have hybrid vehicles that can benefit from KERS, as do Toyota of course, so they are probably throwing extra factory resources at the problem, hence the song and dance over the subject.
 
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Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #35 on: October 27, 2008, 07:25:14 PM »

I'll give you Hamilton has the potential to be a
great driver but I don't think he showed Alonso up
quite as much as you seem to think.

Let me pose a question at you.Do you think
Alonso would have lost the driving championship
if he had a 17 point lead with 2 races left?


Looks like your man Fischicella agrees with you Dare.

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Offline Steven Roy

Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #36 on: October 28, 2008, 02:04:34 PM »
The thing I don't get about KERS is why anyone would put it on a car with an internal combustion engine even a hybrid.  I would love to get Max and co and take them to a car that had just finished a journey and ask them to put their hands on the brake discs/rotors and feel how hot they are.  Then put their hands on the exhaust manifold or engine block.

Max made a statement along the lines that he thought it inconceivable that anyone would introduce a new car in five years time that did not recover heat from the brakes.  To me that simply shows how stupid he is and a lot of senior car company execs are.

An internal combustion engine produces so much heat that it is surrounded by a water jacket connected by hoses to a radiator which vents heat to atmosphere.  Regardless of the type of journey at all times every internal combustion engine is pumping vast amounts of heat to atmosphere.

Brakes and by definition KERS only operate sporadically and on certain journeys.  For the last year I have regularly taken a route that comprises 40 minutes on country roads and through towns whee there is some brake use then 3 hours on a motoway where my engine is pumping out all that heat but the brakes are hardly touched and at the end of the journey there is 3 or 4 minutes where the brakes get some use.  What is the point in me hauling a KERS device for three hours at motorway speeds when it is going to result in me producing more CO2?

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Re: McLaren fear over Lewis car
« Reply #37 on: October 28, 2008, 10:51:18 PM »
No point at all Steven.

We are talking about the racing world here and not you popping down the shop in your nippy Clio.

Kers only comes into itself in the Racing World,and i have just posted a topic on it in the Forum

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