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Author Topic: Turkish GP on US TV  (Read 5072 times)

Offline cosworth151

Turkish GP on US TV
« on: June 01, 2009, 01:53:46 PM »
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  • The TV coverage of the Turkish GP will move from the cable network Speed TV to the Fox broadcast network. The good news is that the Speed TV crew will still do the broadcast. The bad news is that it will be shown tape delay at 15:00 EDT. The next several races will be shown the same way.


    “You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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    Offline Chameleon

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #1 on: June 01, 2009, 11:31:47 PM »
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  • That is why I hate it when Fox decides to do the race broadcast itself - the tape delay.  It shows a complete lack of understanding that F1 fans must see the thing live.  There is absolutely no reason why Speed should not have the race live and then Fox repeat it during the time when casual fans are awake.

    I shall watch the thing online just to spite them.
    Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

    Offline lkjohnson1950

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #2 on: June 02, 2009, 01:42:18 AM »
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  • Watch online where?

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #3 on: June 02, 2009, 03:22:38 AM »
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  • If I told you that, I'd have to kill you, Lonny.  However, you could try looking at F1 Fanatic (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/) shortly before the race begins.  It's amazing what one can pick up via the live race blog.  ;)
    Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #4 on: June 02, 2009, 06:20:50 PM »
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  • Speed and Fox are the sames NewsCorp network. Fox just wants to cash in for it's sponsors during what it deems to be the more watchable races. You do still get the commentary team from Speed but, like said, it's tape delayed to fit in with the US market times.
    But they don't carry Peter Windsor's walk-about or the post race interviews. Bastards!!
    Americans just don't want to get up in the middle of the night to watch F1.
    This may be a huge reason why the US market is not properly tapped.

    Offline Jericoke

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #5 on: June 02, 2009, 07:01:38 PM »
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  • Speed and Fox are the sames NewsCorp network. Fox just wants to cash in for it's sponsors during what it deems to be the more watchable races. You do still get the commentary team from Speed but, like said, it's tape delayed to fit in with the US market times.
    But they don't carry Peter Windsor's walk-about or the post race interviews. Bastards!!
    Americans just don't want to get up in the middle of the night to watch F1.
    This may be a huge reason why the US market is not properly tapped.


    The start times certainly kept me from watching F1.  When my daughter was little I was up for most races.  Now she lets me sleep in, and I have to waste my sunday sleep ins to watch a race.

    As for timing in the US, the races are on during church services.  Doesn't seem like it would go over with the Big Guy to skip service to watch some spoiled brats race cars.

    If F1 is going to be serious about the USA, they will need to restore the Canadian and US GPs, and then add Mexico and/or Argentina to the calander.  That gives Americans 4 or 5 races to watch.  As a bonus, they show up in prime time in Europe... the Canadian GP has had some of the highest TV ratings ever because of that!

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #6 on: June 02, 2009, 11:26:50 PM »
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  • The fact that Speed and Fox come under the Newscorp umbrella means that it would be no hardship for the live race to be shown by Speed for the diehard fans, with Fox following up with a re-run for the casuals later in the day.  It is a clear case of ignorance of the market for Fox to hog the "important" races.

    As for the Big G, I heard that he was interested in sponsoring USF1 once the regulations for 2010 have been sorted out.  But only if Scott Speed is taken on as one of their drivers - "Vengeance is mine," He said, apparently.  Failing that, I have it on good authority that He will be standing against Mosley in the election for FIA President.
    Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #7 on: June 03, 2009, 12:28:14 AM »
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  • The fact that Speed and Fox come under the Newscorp umbrella means that it would be no hardship for the live race to be shown by Speed for the diehard fans, with Fox following up with a re-run for the casuals later in the day.  It is a clear case of ignorance of the market for Fox to hog the "important" races.


    Nope.  Most F1 fans are racing fans, and will watch the F1 race in the morning, and the IRL/NASCAR race in the afternoon.

    If Fox wants to get good ratings (which they do), they need the F1 fans to not watch IRL/NASCAR, which means blacking it out in the morning, and giving up the small # of fans who will stream it online.

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #8 on: June 03, 2009, 03:16:21 AM »
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  • Clearly we have completely different experiences of American F1 fans.  The vast majority that I have met will only watch NASCAR/IRL if there is nothing else on.  They are proud of their chosen sport, considering that it sets them a cut above the run-of-the-mill motor sport fan (not my fault - that is exactly how they describe it to me), and every one of them enjoys getting up at ridiculous times of the night to watch a GP.

    And there are thousands of them out there.  Most of the readers of my blog are Americans and their knowledge of the sport is extensive, more so than many European fans.  Keith Collantine's blog, F1 Fanatic, which has easily the largest readership of all F1 blogs, has an American readership that is not far short of the Europeans in numbers.  And all of them are dedicated fans.

    I don't know about the casual fans in the States - obviously, being casual, they are not often seen on the net.  But I doubt very much that there are large numbers of them.  F1 is the kind of sport that requires a certain amount of patience and learning to get into, the very things that, by definition, casual fans are not prepared to put into it.

    Obviously, it is the casual fan that Bernie and the TV stations are most eager to attract and it is true that every fan started somewhere.  But they make a mistake in designing everything for such viewers.  The core viewership is fanatical and must be catered for before seeking to extend viewing figures.  The very fact that Fox does not show Windsor's grid walk and the driver interviews after the race shows that it has failed on this very point and is in danger of driving the real fans elsewhere.  And they give the casual fan no chance to learn about the sport and so begin to enjoy it more.
    Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #9 on: June 03, 2009, 07:36:29 AM »
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  • F1 needs to study the kind of access TV gets to IRL/NASCAR pits and personalities and open F1 up more. Can you imagine Windsor sticking a mic in Briatore's face and asking if Alonso has enough fuel to make it to the finish. :DD

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    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #10 on: June 03, 2009, 08:59:06 AM »
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  • This is a perfect example of why Bernie and Max are the wrong people to be running F1.  If they just approached some of the on-track or major car sponsors and asked if they would like wider exposure by opening up a decent internet portal where they could also advertise on sidebars and headers, they would absolutely jump all over it.  They could stream broadcasts in every language available in every country and would then be able to charge even more for the added exposure.  In addition they could sell team, track and FOM gear on the same site and sell multiples of what they sell now. 

    Because these two don't know how to use anything more complicated than a TV remote or fax machine, we are stuck in the dark ages with F1 exposure.  Bernie is so wrapped up in keeping his claws dug into the video rights of everything F1 (as seen, even private video shot at F1 races and posted on YouTube gets pulled when he makes the call), he misses out on so much more exposure = revenue.
    The Honey Badger doesn't give a...

    Offline cosworth151

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #11 on: June 03, 2009, 12:26:49 PM »
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  • It's not accurate to lump American IRL fans and NASCAR fans together. They're two distinct groups. Most IRL fans re also F1 fans. Over the past few years, NASCAR has managed to drive most serious race fans away.

    The France family, like Bernie and Max, now go strictly for the big dollar. Like F1, they've scrapped most of their best venues (Rockingham, North Wilksboro, ect) for boring Charlotte clones owned by two holding companies. They even dumped they're most fabled race, the Southern 500, for a now-failed race in LA.

    With NASCAR attendance and viewership in decline, this would be the perfect time for F1 to return. All t would take is a network TV contract, a return to Indy and Bernie keeping his fat mouth shut!
    “You can search the world over for the finer things, but you won't find a match for the American road and the creatures that live on it.”
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    Offline Chameleon

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #12 on: June 03, 2009, 12:39:45 PM »
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  • It's not accurate to lump American IRL fans and NASCAR fans together. They're two distinct groups. Most IRL fans re also F1 fans. Over the past few years, NASCAR has managed to drive most serious race fans away.

    The France family, like Bernie and Max, now go strictly for the big dollar. Like F1, they've scrapped most of their best venues (Rockingham, North Wilksboro, ect) for boring Charlotte clones owned by two holding companies. They even dumped they're most fabled race, the Southern 500, for a now-failed race in LA.

    With NASCAR attendance and viewership in decline, this would be the perfect time for F1 to return. All t would take is a network TV contract, a return to Indy and Bernie keeping his fat mouth shut!

    Agreed 100%, Cozzie.
    Never mind me - read http://f1insight.madtv.me.uk/ :D

    Offline Jericoke

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #13 on: June 03, 2009, 01:47:57 PM »
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  • It's not accurate to lump American IRL fans and NASCAR fans together. They're two distinct groups. Most IRL fans re also F1 fans. Over the past few years, NASCAR has managed to drive most serious race fans away.

    The France family, like Bernie and Max, now go strictly for the big dollar. Like F1, they've scrapped most of their best venues (Rockingham, North Wilksboro, ect) for boring Charlotte clones owned by two holding companies. They even dumped they're most fabled race, the Southern 500, for a now-failed race in LA.

    With NASCAR attendance and viewership in decline, this would be the perfect time for F1 to return. All t would take is a network TV contract, a return to Indy and Bernie keeping his fat mouth shut!

    I don't know that Fox sees a difference between NASCAR/F1/Racing fans, hence the decision.  And seriously, it would be conservative to say that 10% of the F1 audience are NASCAR fans as well.  No TV network is going to volunteer to give up 10% of their audience.  There's a thousand NASCAR races, I'm sure the fans of F1 will give up one banked oval to watch an F1 race.


    Offline cosworth151

    Re: Turkish GP on US TV
    « Reply #14 on: June 03, 2009, 02:37:18 PM »
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    I don't know that Fox sees a difference between NASCAR/F1/Racing fans,


    At least their F1 coverage isn't co-hosted by a cartoon gopher!  ;)

    Fox's contract with NASCAR is for the first half of each season only. They use F1 to fill in on Sundays between that and when their Major League Baseball contract kicks in.

    IMO Digger does a far better job on their NASCAR coverage than Darrel Waltrip!
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