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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: John S on July 13, 2018, 01:59:52 PM
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There is talk of a change to F1’s points system to reward top 15 or even top 20 finishers in each race.
Now is a change a good idea, or will this result in a dilution of the special and exclusive nature of being a Formula 1 points scorer?
Please cast your vote and post your thoughts on why your voting one way or the other.
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I voted down to 20th place....lets make all places count...but ensure enough of an incentive in the points difference between places to enourage overtaking to gain places.
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No option to go back to points for top 6 finishers?
I'm not really sure what problem they're trying to solve. Are they trying to ensure that cars are repaired instead of simply retiring? Why not go out 20 laps down to collect 3 points? I don't see that making the sport safer to include non-competitive cars, but it does mean that fans get to see a fuller field instead of a star driver walking away because it would take 10 minutes to do an engine repair?
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All entrants that finish should get some points, as long as the gradient from first to last is reasonable. Deducting points from the constructor's championship for failing to finish would be a good thing also.
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No option to go back to points for top 6 finishers?
Sorry Jeri, it's been so long since that applied I never thought of it as an real option.
If 85% of the field return to using just one engine make (a la Cosworth) then I guess it might become the obvious option. ;)
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All entrants that finish should get some points, as long as the gradient from first to last is reasonable. Deducting points from the constructor's championship for failing to finish would be a good thing also.
What about keeping the current system, i.e., points for the top 10, but then deduct points for DNF. So there's incentive to stay in the race, but no reward for just staying in the race.
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The trouble with that is that an innocent driver and team could loose points, through no fault of their own, when they get taken out when
Max another driver does something stupid.
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The trouble with that is that an innocent driver and team could loose points, through no fault of their own, when they get taken out when Max another driver does something stupid.
If we're reworking the points system, why not build in the ability to add penalty points: if a car is taken out by Max bad driving, then the DNF penalty is applied to Max the offending driver. Even if the offending driver stays in the race, they'd lose points.
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Why do we want cars to stay in the race instead of retiring? DNF's are at an all time low. Why pull a NASCAR and encourage someone with a damaged and possibly slow car to keep circulating? Years ago the points were 9, 6, 4, 3, 2, 1 and that was it. There were some remarkably close finishes in the '60's using this system. If you want to reward showing up, go back to paying starting money, or give everyone on the grid when it goes green a point. IMO there has been too much mucking about with the points systems in virtually every racing series, NASCAR being the most ridiculous. KISS should apply.
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Let's be honest here! ... there are much more important issues than "fixing" the points system, so a high percentage of my instincts say "leave it be!". The only exception to tampering with the current system, is the fact that it's been known in the past where top to mid grid teams experiencing a "bad weekend" or "non terminal" issues with the car, have simply instructed the driver to retire the car. So .... if points were available further back, that 'may' encourage teams to keep those cars out on track, but for myself, that's the only real benefit I can see right now.
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I voted for the 8 because that's what the GG is and it
works great for us. :good:
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Leave it as it is, just fix the aero and stupid engine penalties.
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Leave it as it is, just fix the aero and stupid engine penalties.
I don't know why they can't understand fix the aero and
good racing will follow. Don't they listen, And hire some
stewards that know and follow the rules
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Let's be honest here! ... there are much more important issues than "fixing" the points system
I agree. At this point, changing the points is about as important as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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Leave it as it is, just fix the aero and stupid engine penalties.
I don't know why they can't understand fix the aero and
good racing will follow. Don't they listen, And hire some
stewards that know and follow the rules
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The current engine/aero rules clearly favour the leading teams, so naturally they'll want to keep that. Given they've got four out of 10 votes, they only need to convert one more team. So giving a back marker team some points as a quid pro quo to support the current rules would be a smart move for the top teams to keep the current arrangement.
I don't suggest it's good for the future of the sport, but it looks good to Mercedes' shareholders that they can press their advantage over the short term.
The question we need answered is why do we need to change the points? What behaviour in F1 are we trying to encourage/prohibit?
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The question we need answered is why do we need to change the points? What behaviour in F1 are we trying to encourage/prohibit?
I would suggest it's Liberty that has put it on the strategy group agenda, teams and drivers have to pay FIA for entry fees and super licences according to how many points they scored last season so I can't see why either would want it.
Equally I can't see the FIA putting it forward, it'd be seen as a straight money grab from them.
My best guess is Liberty is too American oriented at present and they are seeking to bring F1 into line with Nascar & Indycars. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :fool: s
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The question we need answered is why do we need to change the points? What behaviour in F1 are we trying to encourage/prohibit?
I would suggest it's Liberty that has put it on the strategy group agenda, teams and drivers have to pay FIA for entry fees and super licences according to how many points they scored last season so I can't see why either would want it.
Equally I can't see the FIA putting it forward, it'd be seen as a straight money grab from them.
My best guess is Liberty is too American oriented at present and they are seeking to bring F1 into line with Nascar & Indycars. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :fool: s
Well, then I suspect the 'Big 3' would love to go back to the 10-6-4-3-2-1 configuration :D .
I think that IndyCar and NASCAR would do well to steer clear of the FIA, however, I do like the idea of all racing series using similar scoring systems. It's a little easier for a casual fan to follow different series if there's no conversion required.
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NASCAR's is unbelievable. You need a computer and a math degree to work it out. The NHRA is nearly as bad. And both have embraced the stupid "Play Off" end of season championship nonsense. :fool:
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My best guess is Liberty is too American oriented at present and they are seeking to bring F1 into line with Nascar & Indycars. :crazy: :crazy: :crazy: :fool: s
I've never thought any different from the day they took over the sport John!!!! .. and they've never given me reasons to thing any different at this stage in their reign.
As I've said before, Bernie was far from perfect in his business approach to running F1, but he never gave me reason to believe that he centralised his focus on the sport with a "strong British flavour" ... that's the main issue I have, as well as the fact that Carey & Braches would be 'disconnected' without the vast knowledge of Ross Brawn.
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Leave the points system alone and fix the real problems!!
I guess the only changes I would consider is adding some minor points possibly for qualifying positions; fastest lap and most overtakes in a race.
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Leave the points system alone and fix the real problems!!
I guess the only changes I would consider is adding some minor points possibly for qualifying positions; fastest lap and most overtakes in a race.
Points for qualification, and then an inverted grid with the current points allocation.
I like fastest lap, but it will look ridiculous with teams trying to save their engines, and then suddenly put in a single lap 2 seconds ahead of pace. As long as they have to protect their engines, fastest lap points will come across as insults to the fans.
I've also proposed that the scoring system be replaced by an overtake count. With an inverted grid, the fastest car would have the most cars to overtake. Pit stops would be more common, as that would give cars an opportunity to rejoin traffic. Aero rules would favour passing, because that's the only way to win.