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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Scott on July 21, 2018, 06:36:12 PM
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Same crap, different week. Lewis is throwing someone else under the bus (this time his team, or more accurately, the car). Sorry Lewis, the onboard has audio. Everyone watched the replay half a dozen times and each time heard the engine note completely change when the car came back to earth after he took it airborne on the Kerb. Driver error broke the car, the car did not cause the error. Maybe there’s a clause in his new contract that forces the team to publicly back any outrageous claim he has.
Nice try though. Until he came out with that I was tending to think it might be a conspiracy to have him start from the back again to make the race more exciting.
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Apparently there was an issue with the power steering (hydraulics) before the curb bouncing and retirement. Probably it was a loss of hydraulic pressure that led to Mr. Hamiltons brain fade. >:D
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Same crap, different week. Lewis is throwing someone else under the bus (this time his team, or more accurately, the car). Sorry Lewis, the onboard has audio. Everyone watched the replay half a dozen times and each time heard the engine note completely change when the car came back to earth after he took it airborne on the Kerb. Driver error broke the car, the car did not cause the error. Maybe there’s a clause in his new contract that forces the team to publicly back any outrageous claim he has.
Nice try though. Until he came out with that I was tending to think it might be a conspiracy to have him start from the back again to make the race more exciting.
Well summarised Scott :)
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Yes, I found his 'interview' amusing. When being asked by the reporter if his trip over the kerb caused the issue, he more or less denied it outright, where most other drivers who say something like "I'm not sure, we will have to look at the data" ... but Lewis insists something failed before the Kerb, which he stated he takes the same every time around. Funny, I only saw footage of 1 rally cross spectacular. Looked like he was starting to argue with the race marshal, as you could see the arm indicating "we are instructed to pull your broken car off the track" ... while Lewis was about to push it a couple of miles around the track!!!
Then, we see a brief interview with Toto, who categorically insists the "opposite" of Lewis's unfolding of events leading to the breakdown .... hilarious!!!!
Oh well, if nothing else, it should make for an entertaining race with Danny Ric and Hamilton at the back. Also, with Ferrari's "super engine" .... the cars with Red, Silver and Grey should do well tomorrow. I would have said white too, but didn't want to confuse the selection with Williams hopes!!! :-[
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I would have said white too, but didn't want to confuse the selection with Williams hopes!!! :-[
Best Regards,
Cal :)
I do admire your continued optimism Cal :good:
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The failure apparently happened on the kerb before the rallycross, which reconciles both versions of the story (because Hamilton's original interviewer was too specific about how they phrased the Turn 1 story).
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Lewis drove a good race. Seb made a mistake & it cost him dearly. DannyRic's equipment let him down again. Once again, K-Mag ran 4/5th of a good race. :'(
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I was surprised at the elation of the crowd when Seb went out. You'd think it was Mika going out at Monza!
They also seemed quite elated with Lewis's win. Are Germans not a fan of Vettel? Do the prefer their marques to their countrymen?
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It looked like a lot of the folks cheering were wearing orange. Dutch fans of Max.
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Another podium for Kimi makes me think while Charles
may be the future could he do any better at Ferrari than
Kimi under the Vettel influence?
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I'll say this for Vettel, he took the blame for the shunt:
“I think it was a huge mistake, a huge impact on the race, because we retired there.”
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I'm a little dumbfounded by the stewards decision on the Hamilton pit lane entry incident. This is clearly prohibited within the rules barring force majeure.
I don't call "confusion within the team" as force majeure. Given Kimi got a 5 second penalty at Baku in 2016 for similar then consistency should be the rule. I also don't understand how it took so long to get this referred to the stewards and a decision made - we all saw it happen on track. Why was it not reviewed during the race - if Bottas was driving for a different team, and potentially would have won if a 5 sec penalty was applied. then I suspect there'd be more noise
Incidentally, how come nothing was said about Hamilton pushing his car on track during Quali - surely a safety issue there.
Michael Schumacher got himself a reputation as having his own rule book - Hamilton is in danger of falling into this too.
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I'm a little dumbfounded by the stewards decision on the Hamilton pit lane entry incident. This is clearly prohibited within the rules barring force majeure.
I don't call "confusion within the team" as force majeure. Given Kimi got a 5 second penalty at Baku in 2016 for similar then consistency should be the rule. I also don't understand how it took so long to get this referred to the stewards and a decision made - we all saw it happen on track. Why was it not reviewed during the race - if Bottas was driving for a different team, and potentially would have won if a 5 sec penalty was applied. then I suspect there'd be more noise
Incidentally, how come nothing was said about Hamilton pushing his car on track during Quali - surely a safety issue there.
Michael Schumacher got himself a reputation as having his own rule book - Hamilton is in danger of falling into this too.
Spot on. Vettel gets a 5 sec penalty, Kimi a 10,and Lewis none.
How is this fair stewarding?
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Maybe F1 needs to follow gold where you call penalties
on yourself :crazy:
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On Sky coverage, Brundle was mumbling something about Hamilton not crossing some line so he was OK. Not sure what he was referring to.
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I have seen it mentioned elsewhere that Baku and Brazil have ‘special’ directives due to the way their pit lanes are located and thus penalties at those tracks are specific only to them, meaning past incidents there cannot be used as precedent for every circuit.
I do think it adds to the air of inconsistency in F1 however.
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On Sky coverage, Brundle was mumbling something about Hamilton not crossing some line so he was OK. Not sure what he was referring to.
He may have been referring to the first Safety Car line. Technically, the pit entry doesn't start until then, so had Lewis not crossed it, there would have been no basis to charge or convict Lewis with anything except sloppy driving.
Trouble was, Lewis already had crossed the first Safety Car line, so he got a penalty. Yes, it was the lightest possible penalty, but it may not be as minor as it appears because I recall Lewis also got a reprimand in Australia. As such, if he messes up at any point prior to next Australian GP (that race is to be a week earlier than this year, thus within the 12-month window), he'll get a 10-place grid penalty.
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As such, if he messes up at any point prior to next Australian GP (that race is to be a week earlier than this year, thus within the 12-month window), he'll get a 10-place grid penalty.
Thanks Ali - you have a far better memory than I. Although much easier to accept a 10-place grid penalty towards the end of the season IF you've already won the championship by then.
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I keep finding myself defending Hamilton even though I'm not a fan.
The car definitely failed before he hit the kerb during Quali - team agrees, on-boards agree, etc.
Lots of people go across the grass and then rejoin the track. The problem is that Hamilton did it deliberately. The Stewards then have to look at why, and how safe the manoeuvre was. It was clearly due to the team's inept communications and Hamilton could not have been more careful. Therefore a slap on the wrist is all that was required.
I find myself keen to defend him because he drove brilliantly. Cautious but determined in the early laps, then breathtakingly fast. He drove 3 fastest laps while the track was still 'damp' and left everyone else for dead.
All these bad comments about Hamilton and hardly a mention of Vettel's schoolboy error. His accident was frankly pathetic. A slow understeer into the wall. He could easily have allowed the car to spin or semi-spin and probably would have avoided the wall and may well have been able to drive out of the gravel.
Rant over ;)
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Monty, good point about Vettel. The Hamilton factor has clouded the fact that Seb threw it away.
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My comment was made before the race. Hamilton raced spectacularly and the key moment was when he disobeyed his team and last minute stayed behind the SC.
I still think he broke the car.
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My comment was made before the race. Hamilton raced spectacularly and the key moment was when he disobeyed his team and last minute stayed behind the SC.
I still think he broke the car.
For me the issue isn't who broke the car, but that Hamilton would set himself apart from the team. Even if Lewis did break the car, it's got to be designed and built to handle drivers who make a mistake. Ultimately, it doesn't matter which Mercedes employee(s) made a mistake, they win and lose as a team and I feel that Lewis doesn't embrace that ethos when the going gets tough. (He's fantastic at spreading the glory when he wins though.)
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In a way, this is just what many of us have been asking for. If a driver goes out of bounds, he pays the price with a damaged car. Not enough to cause a shunt but enough to slow it down.
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For me the issue isn't who broke the car, but that Hamilton would set himself apart from the team. Even if Lewis did break the car, it's got to be designed and built to handle drivers who make a mistake. Ultimately, it doesn't matter which Mercedes employee(s) made a mistake, they win and lose as a team and I feel that Lewis doesn't embrace that ethos when the going gets tough. (He's fantastic at spreading the glory when he wins though.)
I think the hit it took on the kerb was more like hitting a wall than typical bumps and bangs. It actually came down on a raised kerb directly in the middle of the unprotected bottom, where the gearbox sits. Not something they can design for without bringing in a welder.
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I thought Lewis' excursion across the grass from Pitlane back to track was odd but certainly not dangerous, they were under safety car conditions after all. I think the Stewards got this one right with a reprimand.
Some other drivers may have tried to argue that the car slid out due to the damp conditions and the safest route out of trouble was back to the track, Lewis' deviation at first glance looks a lot like Vettel's gentle glide off the side of the track.