I have always maintained that MS was an ordinary driver who won dirty. It is proven today that he had no skill at all.
The man is after all being found out.
All I have to say guys is your over reactions remind me of tabloid newspapers baying for blood. This is racing and it's not the first, and probably not the last time, for a display of tough track action.
Sure Schumi squeezed Rubens to the limit, but like Vettel on Mark a bit earlier in the year Barrichello kept his boot in and was just as determined as Vettel that he was coming through. On this occasion there was no contact between cars or the wall, so however much you want this to be a hanging offence Rubens must have had enough space even though it was a huge brown trouser moment for him.
Michael is not blameless obviously and as he was already out of the points a grid drop for the next race is the only answer, however the 'New Men' Stewards 10 place drop clearly shows F1 is no longer a real mans sport. IMO a 5 place drop should be quite enough, we'll be seeing Brian Barnhart's no blocking rule from Indy brought in next.
I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.
However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.
Well many of you know that I'm a huge Schumacher fan......I cheer everytime he gets beaten by his team mate, everytime Massa overtakes him, everytime he goes off the track due to his own lack of talent. I had a particularly loud cheer when he got lapped on Sunday.
All in all I think he is singularly the worst thing that has ever happened to F1 and the sooner he leaves (never to return) the better.
I can accept people disagreeing with me but I cannot understand anyone trying to defend his actions this weekend.
Senna did make some deliberate moves that were sure to 'stop' his challenger and I didn't think such moves were necessary or acceptable from such a talented driver. However, as far as I can remember all of his 'stay in front or crash' tactics were carried out in first gear corners at very slow speeds.
Shumacher thinks nothing of such tatics at 100+mph which is crazy. He has been driving more dangerously than ever this year and on Sunday he surely went one step too far for anyone.
It was clear to everyone that he was watching in his mirror. He waited for Rubens to get alongside and then steered to the right pushing the Williams into the dust and debris and very close to the wall. Rubens could easily have lost control just because of the dirt. If he had hit the wall it is likely that he would have been killed and who knows where the car would have gone. There could have even been more deaths in the pit area. All of this for 1 point! It is time for Schumacher to be removed from the 'sport' >:(
I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.
However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.
So it's ok to pull strong arm tactics on other drivers if you have an engaging personality and the public love you, what tosh, this is motor racing we are discussing not an episode of an 'F1's got talent' show.nah John I did not say that - dirt is dirt and dangerous moves are dangerous moves - and please stop putting words into my mouth and making up a false 'strawman' for you to easily shoot down:P
I agree that Michael's move was over the top but I am honestly suprised about the level of vitriol over the incident from posters in this topic.not only here John, but the condemnation has now gone global or is that viral, with a few ex F1 drivers like Lauda and IRVINE weighing in against MS[/b]
I stick to my point that F1 is and always has been a tough game, sure Michael sqeezed too far, Rubens could have backed out - however he chose not to. It's just a bit rich to blame Schumi alone for the danger during the pass.
For me these quotes from both drivers, in an Autosport piece, sum up the fact that both drivers were playing hard ball with each other, something we usually applaud in F1.
Rubens - "I have a lot of experience and usually with a crazy guy like that I would lift off, but not today, absolutely not," Barrichello told Spanish network La Sexta right after the race.
"I think it has been one of the most beautiful manoeuvres I've done and one of the most horrendous from him. At the end of the day we don't need that.
Schumacher shrugged off the incident, however.
"This is F1," Schumacher told Italian television RAI when questioned about his move.
"I think I left him too much room because he passed."
I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.
However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.
So it's ok to pull strong arm tactics on other drivers if you have an engaging personality and the public love you, what tosh, this is motor racing we are discussing not an episode of an 'F1's got talent' show.nah John I did not say that - dirt is dirt and dangerous moves are dangerous moves - and please stop putting words into my mouth and making up a false 'strawman' for you to easily shoot down:P
Sennaman my reading of your post about Schumi modelling himself on Senna has the first and second paragraphs clearly linked by the word 'However', this appears to excuse Senna's exploits by virtue of his chrarisma, which prompted my response.
So :P right back to you.
On the subject of Senna's exploits I offer this vid of a similar Schumi/Rubens move by Senna on Prost down the straight in Portugal, the main action is at about 1.30 mins.
No penalties were even considered or indeed expected. I think you may have to view the vid by clicking through to youtube, but it should work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE&feature=player_embedded
On the subject of Senna's exploits I offer this vid of a similar Schumi/Rubens move by Senna on Prost down the straight in Portugal, the main action is at about 1.30 mins.
No penalties were even considered or indeed expected. I think you may have to view the vid by clicking through to youtube, but it should work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE&feature=player_embedded