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Title: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: SennaMan on August 01, 2010, 04:46:38 PM

I am so incensed over what Schumacher did to rubens at the Hungarian GP that my comments are unprintable

I just hope the FIA throws the proverbial book at this pathetic excuse for a human being including disqualifying him for the remainder of 2010 and banning him for life

once and for all this $%^&*@# has to be stopped before he kills someone.

so come on FIA, show some leadership and get rid of this mongrel wild dog 
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: greener_09 on August 01, 2010, 06:00:54 PM
I totally agree with you Sennaman he needs to be stopped before he kills someone.How long are the FIA going to sit back and let him get away with this over aggresive driving.If Barrichello had hit the wall at that speed he may not have survived.I was never a Schumacher fan when he was in his prime and im especially not now.Hes a has been who should have stayed retired the only thing hes good at now is trying to take out other drivers i hope hes banned for life!
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on August 01, 2010, 06:16:31 PM
No ban for life..that'll have to wait for him to actually kill someone!  :nono:

10 place grid penalty for Spa:

http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=48996 (http://www.itv-f1.com/News_Article.aspx?id=48996)
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2010, 06:34:06 PM
I was always a Schumacher fan, but not any more, if you done that on the road you could be charged with attempted murder, his other escapades were about racing but not this one. The very least he should get is a ban for the remainder of the season. I've even took him off as my avatar.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: David on August 01, 2010, 06:56:35 PM
I have been a long time fan of Michael Schumacher and have defended him on almost every questionable move he has ever made. However, that ends today!! The move he pulled today was a disgrace, the man is a F*$/*~g animal and should be put down like one. A 10 place grid penalty is no where near enough of a penalty. I believe he put Rubens life at serious risk, and for what? A point!!  >:(

I don't know if anybody has heard his excuse for this? He stated that he was moving over to let RB overtake him to the left, and Ruben's chose to go to the right, leading to what we witnessed today. What a load of bull!!

Never thought I would have said this, but you should have stayed away Michael. My memories might have been of a racing hero instead of this. A sad day.  :(
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2010, 07:13:40 PM
Further to my previous post, if I were the boss of Mecedes I would take Schumacher out of the car and put Heidfeld in it.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: cosworth151 on August 01, 2010, 07:18:29 PM
I always admired his driving skill. That said, I was never a fan of Schumacher because of his habit of "questionable tactics" when pushed. Now, the skill is gone and the dirty driving has filled the void. The FIA needs to park him for at least one race and ban him for life if there is a repeat.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 01, 2010, 07:22:52 PM
Good point Ian...I would have already done that a few races ago.

I'll jump on the bandwagon.  Like Ian, I also have admired him and for the first 4 years was a fan.  This was right up there with his push against Frentzen when Schumacher was coming out of the pits (don't ask me the race, but I guess most of you remember).  I give credit to Rubens for keeping his foot in it, in fact it's probably what saved him from having a major crash.

It is a new low for Schumacher, and his replies just make me cringe.  There was no point that Rubens was going to take him on the outside.  Michael had his helmet turned hard right watching that mirror and as soon as he saw Rubens get past his rear tire, he moved over.  He didn't give him enough room like he said in the interview, enough room would mean Rubens didn't have to brush the concrete and then drive over the grass...enough room means he can pass ON THE TRACK.  

Ban him for life - fine him $100m for bringing the sport into disrepute.   >:D >:D
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: raindancer on August 01, 2010, 07:43:31 PM
I have always maintained that MS was an ordinary driver who won dirty. It is proven today that he had no skill at all.
The man is after  all being found out.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 01, 2010, 08:02:34 PM
I have always maintained that MS was an ordinary driver who won dirty. It is proven today that he had no skill at all.
The man is after  all being found out.

C'mon Rain, you can't say he was an ordinary driver, I don't think any of us would say that.  An ordinary driver can't put in a Q-lap when asked to during a race on used tires just before a pit stop...he did that, plenty of times. 

I agree he is a lunatic (great thread title SennaMan!), and tried to put Rubens in the cement today, but I would never call him an ordinary driver.  Dirty is his forte, but don't deny his talent.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Ian on August 01, 2010, 08:31:17 PM
I can't believe all Schumacher got was a 10 place grid penalty for Spa, what a let off.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: John S on August 01, 2010, 08:37:06 PM
All I have to say guys is your over reactions remind me of tabloid newspapers baying for blood. This is racing and it's not the first, and probably not the last time, for a display of tough track action.

Sure Schumi squeezed Rubens to the limit, but like Vettel on Mark a bit earlier in the year Barrichello kept his boot in and was just as determined as Vettel that he was coming through. On this occasion there was no contact  between cars or the wall, so however much you want this to be a hanging offence Rubens must have had enough space even though it was a huge brown trouser moment for him.

Michael is not blameless obviously and as he was already out of the points a grid drop for the next race is the only answer, however the 'New Men' Stewards 10 place drop clearly shows F1 is no longer a real mans sport.  IMO a 5 place drop should be quite enough, we'll be seeing Brian Barnhart's no blocking rule from Indy brought in next.

  

Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 01, 2010, 08:42:28 PM
Tough racing is one thing, but Schumacher clearly purposely drove Rubens off the track in an extremely dangerous place.  It wasn't just pushing him to the edge of the track, it was pushing him off the track that (I think) got most of us huffing and puffing.  I don't think it is just baying for blood.  In any series that sort of move would have much more serious consequences than Schumacher ended up with. 
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Williamsfan on August 01, 2010, 08:45:12 PM
Pretty disgraceful penalty for an extremely disgraceful move by Schumacher.  Like many on here, I never actively supported him but I did respect him as a racing great.  He did not win all his titles by driving dirty but damn, he could have caused serious harm to Rubens today.  Maybe I am more incensed than usual as the victim today was one of my guys, but even taking my bias out of the picture Schumacher just took a massive chunk out of any lingering respect I had for him.  I hope he realises his time in F1 is up.  The FIA won't ban him for life, it is not going to happen and Mercedes have already come out in support of him.  But come on Schumacher, give up now before you do someone serious harm.  Also I agree with Scott about Schumacher's own comments on the situation... very embarrassing.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: cosworth151 on August 01, 2010, 09:47:36 PM
Concrete walls are very unforgiving. F1 last on-track fatality was in 1994. If antics like Schumacher's disgraceful attempt to put Barrichello in the wall aren't stopped, that record won't last much longer.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: SennaMan on August 02, 2010, 12:52:02 AM
All I have to say guys is your over reactions remind me of tabloid newspapers baying for blood. This is racing and it's not the first, and probably not the last time, for a display of tough track action.

Sure Schumi squeezed Rubens to the limit, but like Vettel on Mark a bit earlier in the year Barrichello kept his boot in and was just as determined as Vettel that he was coming through. On this occasion there was no contact  between cars or the wall, so however much you want this to be a hanging offence Rubens must have had enough space even though it was a huge brown trouser moment for him.

Michael is not blameless obviously and as he was already out of the points a grid drop for the next race is the only answer, however the 'New Men' Stewards 10 place drop clearly shows F1 is no longer a real mans sport.  IMO a 5 place drop should be quite enough, we'll be seeing Brian Barnhart's no blocking rule from Indy brought in next.

c'mon John - "tough racing" is one thing but deliberately driving a fellow competitor right off the track into the proximity of a concrete wall quite another

...especially as prior to this MS, [an apt acronym for a horrible degenerative disease BTW], had been blatantly blocking RB anyway

....and isn't there already a regulation in F1 allowing you to move one time and no more on a following driver? I remember lewis HAMILTON being fined/penalised for blocking in a race this year

I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.

However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.

I have always admired michael for his amazing achievements in F1 and for raising standards of dedicated professionalism in the sport. He did for F1 what tiger WOODS has done for golf; well on the course if not away from it!

But love him or think of him with affection?

NO WAY!

...and isn't that the real tragedy about michael SCHUMACHER and his legacy?  
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 02, 2010, 10:42:07 AM
We can't expect any more penalty...after all, for Todt, Schumacher is the son he never had...oh wait, he had a son...he is the tall son Todt never had.   :P :P 
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: John S on August 02, 2010, 12:16:09 PM

I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.

However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.


So it's ok to pull strong arm tactics on other drivers if you have an engaging personality and the public love you, what tosh, this is motor racing we are discussing not an episode of an 'F1's got talent' show.

I agree that Michael's move was over the top but I am honestly suprised about the level of vitriol over the incident from posters in this topic. I stick to my point that F1 is and always has been a tough game, sure Michael sqeezed too far, Rubens could have backed out - however he chose not to. It's just a bit rich to blame Schumi alone for the danger during the pass.   

For me these quotes from both drivers, in an Autosport piece, sum up the fact that both drivers were playing hard ball with each other, something we usually applaud in F1.

 Rubens - "I have a lot of experience and usually with a crazy guy like that I would lift off, but not today, absolutely not," Barrichello told Spanish network La Sexta right after the race.

"I think it has been one of the most beautiful manoeuvres I've done and one of the most horrendous from him. At the end of the day we don't need that.

Schumacher shrugged off the incident, however.

"This is F1," Schumacher told Italian television RAI when questioned about his move.

"I think I left him too much room because he passed."



Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Monty on August 02, 2010, 01:04:26 PM
Well many of you know that I'm a huge Schumacher fan......I cheer everytime he gets beaten by his team mate, everytime Massa overtakes him, everytime he goes off the track due to his own lack of talent. I had a particularly loud cheer when he got lapped on Sunday.
All in all I think he is singularly the worst thing that has ever happened to F1 and the sooner he leaves (never to return) the better.
I can accept people disagreeing with me but I cannot understand anyone trying to defend his actions this weekend.
Senna did make some deliberate moves that were sure to 'stop' his challenger and I didn't think such moves were necessary or acceptable from such a talented driver. However, as far as I can remember all of his 'stay in front or crash' tactics were carried out in first gear corners at very slow speeds.
Shumacher thinks nothing of such tatics at 100+mph which is crazy. He has been driving more dangerously than ever this year and on Sunday he surely went one step too far for anyone.
It was clear to everyone that he was watching in his mirror. He waited for Rubens to get alongside and then steered to the right pushing the Williams into the dust and debris and very close to the wall. Rubens could easily have lost control just because of the dirt. If he had hit the wall it is likely that he would have been killed and who knows where the car would have gone. There could have even been more deaths in the pit area. All of this for 1 point! It is time for Schumacher to be removed from the 'sport' >:(
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: stealthhaggis on August 02, 2010, 03:52:29 PM
Well many of you know that I'm a huge Schumacher fan......I cheer everytime he gets beaten by his team mate, everytime Massa overtakes him, everytime he goes off the track due to his own lack of talent. I had a particularly loud cheer when he got lapped on Sunday.
All in all I think he is singularly the worst thing that has ever happened to F1 and the sooner he leaves (never to return) the better.
I can accept people disagreeing with me but I cannot understand anyone trying to defend his actions this weekend.
Senna did make some deliberate moves that were sure to 'stop' his challenger and I didn't think such moves were necessary or acceptable from such a talented driver. However, as far as I can remember all of his 'stay in front or crash' tactics were carried out in first gear corners at very slow speeds.
Shumacher thinks nothing of such tatics at 100+mph which is crazy. He has been driving more dangerously than ever this year and on Sunday he surely went one step too far for anyone.
It was clear to everyone that he was watching in his mirror. He waited for Rubens to get alongside and then steered to the right pushing the Williams into the dust and debris and very close to the wall. Rubens could easily have lost control just because of the dirt. If he had hit the wall it is likely that he would have been killed and who knows where the car would have gone. There could have even been more deaths in the pit area. All of this for 1 point! It is time for Schumacher to be removed from the 'sport' >:(

Well said Monty.

Martin Brundle actually summed it up rather well, if Schumacher ever wanted to be considered the greatest driver of all time all he had to do in his career was cut our all the dangerous moves. He would have won 1 less championship and a few races but would have been revered as the greatest driver of all time. I, like Monty, am not his biggest fan and for me this is a classic Schumacher manoeuvre only now he is distinctly average whereas before he at least had the pace to go with it. I would normally try and not jump on the lynching bandwagons when they pass by but in this case it's the final straw. As for using the 'Senna' argument, c'mon guys, you're talking about a guy who every other driver out there knew would slam the door shut tight unless you made it stick. He never made a move then another move when the driver was alongside, no other driver does that. In fact if any driver came into F1 and did that they would never race again. What Schumacher did was not only dangerous to himself and Rubens but to any marshal or crew near the end of the pitlane. It was pure arrogance and to be that condescending about Rubens at the end was tragic. Whatever reputation he had before will be tarnished even further with this. Quite frankly I'm delighted as people are seeing him for being the dirty little cheat that he is!

I was doing ok till the end there!  :D
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 02, 2010, 05:28:05 PM
The Lunatic apologizes...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85828 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85828)

I musta missed the part about "I'll try not to let it happen again"  :DntKnw:
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Williamsfan on August 02, 2010, 08:55:18 PM
I wonder who forced him into that move? 
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: stealthhaggis on August 02, 2010, 09:10:19 PM
Well it wasn't Rubens.....  :DD
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: David on August 02, 2010, 09:59:08 PM
Well with that admission of guilt, along with a glimmer of humility he has at least gained a few brownie points back with me. His attitude after the race yesterday stank, and made me even more angry than witnessing the move itself. I still wish at this stage that he had stayed retired so my memories were not soiled.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: David on August 02, 2010, 10:09:13 PM
His statement on his website doesn't exactly read like an apology.  :DntKnw:

http://www.michael-schumacher.de/?page=news&story_id=&lang=uk (http://www.michael-schumacher.de/?page=news&story_id=&lang=uk)
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Willy on August 03, 2010, 02:22:50 AM
All I have to say guys is your over reactions remind me of tabloid newspapers baying for blood. This is racing and it's not the first, and probably not the last time, for a display of tough track action.
 (ftp://All I have to say guys is your over reactions remind me of tabloid newspapers baying for blood. This is racing and it's not the first, and probably not the last time, for a display of tough track action.)
Tough track action!
Not a chance is that to be  concidered a racing incident.

Schumacher has always been dirty and would pull any underhanded move to better his postion, no matter the cost to the other drivers.
He got away with it because of who he was (was!!).
Not anymore. He has no business being allowed back into a race seat the remainder of this season, or any other.
The man is a menace.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: SennaMan on August 03, 2010, 02:58:49 AM

I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.

However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.


So it's ok to pull strong arm tactics on other drivers if you have an engaging personality and the public love you, what tosh, this is motor racing we are discussing not an episode of an 'F1's got talent' show.

nah John I did not say that  - dirt is dirt and dangerous moves are dangerous moves -  and please stop putting words into my mouth and making up a false 'strawman' for you to easily shoot down
  :P

I agree that Michael's move was over the top but I am honestly suprised about the level of vitriol over the incident from posters in this topic.
not only here John, but the condemnation has now gone global or is that viral, with a few ex F1 drivers like Lauda and IRVINE weighing in against MS
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I stick to my point that F1 is and always has been a tough game, sure Michael sqeezed too far, Rubens could have backed out - however he chose not to. It's just a bit rich to blame Schumi alone for the danger during the pass.   

For me these quotes from both drivers, in an Autosport piece, sum up the fact that both drivers were playing hard ball with each other, something we usually applaud in F1.

 Rubens - "I have a lot of experience and usually with a crazy guy like that I would lift off, but not today, absolutely not," Barrichello told Spanish network La Sexta right after the race.

"I think it has been one of the most beautiful manoeuvres I've done and one of the most horrendous from him. At the end of the day we don't need that.

Schumacher shrugged off the incident, however.

"This is F1," Schumacher told Italian television RAI when questioned about his move.

"I think I left him too much room because he passed."

each to there own John but I just have to disagree with you this time. ::) 8)
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on August 03, 2010, 08:59:25 AM
MS is and always has been ruthless. Senna was the same way, and yes he would use 2 or 3 moves, including taking you right off the track to keep you from passing. MS had 2 great talents, an ability to go very fast out in the open when he had to, and I believe he might be the best test driver ever. I said before the season started that not being able to test would hurt him more than any of the other drivers, and I think we are seeing that. I doubt you would have seen that kind of move from any of the drivers of the '60s, and if anyone had tried it, Clark, Brabham or Hill were perfectly capable of bruising a rib or blackening an eye for the offender out behind the garage. A different breed.

Lonny
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Dare on August 03, 2010, 12:56:15 PM
I think it was blown out of proportion as well
John.Rueben's in his mind feels he was slighted
by Ferrari and Michael and uses every chance
to remind the world of it.This is racing and Rueben's
knows how Michael drives and had the chance to back off.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Ian on August 03, 2010, 01:34:04 PM
Got to disagree Dare, I've always supported MS, and some his deeds in the past were no worse than othe drivers have done, but this time he was watching Ruby and I have no doubt he tried to put him into the pitwall.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: John S on August 03, 2010, 01:43:17 PM

I actually blame this win-at-all-costs nonesense on my hero ayrton SENNA, who twice pulled identical moves on his team mate PROST, and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.

However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1.


So it's ok to pull strong arm tactics on other drivers if you have an engaging personality and the public love you, what tosh, this is motor racing we are discussing not an episode of an 'F1's got talent' show.

nah John I did not say that  - dirt is dirt and dangerous moves are dangerous moves -  and please stop putting words into my mouth and making up a false 'strawman' for you to easily shoot down
  :P
 

Sennaman my reading of your post about Schumi modelling himself on Senna has the first and second paragraphs clearly linked by the word 'However', this appears to excuse Senna's exploits by virtue of his chrarisma, which prompted my response.

So  :P right back to you.

On the subject of Senna's exploits I offer this vid of a similar Schumi/Rubens move by Senna on Prost down the straight in Portugal, the main action is at about 1.30 mins.
 No penalties were even considered or indeed expected.  I think you may have to view the vid by clicking through to youtube, but it should work.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE&feature=player_embedded


Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: aazz on August 03, 2010, 04:34:01 PM
I have never been a big fan of Schumacher, but I didn't mind him before he retired. When he announced his comeback I was looking foward to seeing him race again and after each race this year I was thinking he wasn't too bad and I was starting to like him a bit. My attitude has changed after Hungary mainly because of his attitude after the race when questioned about the passing move. His apology sounds like it was written by Mercedes PR to calm the storm a bit. He is one driver I won't mind seeing struggle out of the points for the rest of the season.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 03, 2010, 05:47:54 PM
He was almost black flagged according to Warwick...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85838 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85838)
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Williamsfan on August 03, 2010, 08:33:22 PM
Warwick seemed a sincere guy in his pre-race interview on the BBC so I am hoping this is a genuine comment as opposed to one to appease race fans.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Jericoke on August 03, 2010, 09:21:11 PM
Move him to NASCAR.  This kind of stuff is encouraged under the current leadership.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: SennaMan on August 04, 2010, 02:00:31 AM


thanks for the vid John - there is another far more blatant move SENNA put on PROST but right now I cannot remember where it was. It went on far longer than the one you have dug out and it created a furore at the time too.

When I saw what MS did to RB last Sunday, it immediately reminded me of SENNA's dangerous moves on PROST and that is why I mentioned it in my post.

Now in relation to the word "However", I used it to link and transition the thought of the previous sentence:

"and I have always thought in a lot of ways, michael SCHUMACHER modelled himself on ayrton.

However, SENNA unlike SCHUMACHER had an engaging and charismatic personality and people all over the world loved him, even those who had no interest in F1."

What I meant, [and perhaps I should have expanded and rewritten exactly this or used another conjunction like "nevertheless], was that, in contrast to ayrton, MS did not have the charm to fully pull off copying him and consequently never enjoyed the warm affection people had for AS.

...now I must research that other more dangerous move of SENNA!
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: Scott on August 04, 2010, 02:43:53 PM

On the subject of Senna's exploits I offer this vid of a similar Schumi/Rubens move by Senna on Prost down the straight in Portugal, the main action is at about 1.30 mins.
 No penalties were even considered or indeed expected.  I think you may have to view the vid by clicking through to youtube, but it should work.


 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zznJjSncGCE&feature=player_embedded

Sorry John, no comparison.  Prost's tires never came off the track, nor did they get close enough to the wall for a seriously scary moment like Rubens had.  Senna gave enough room, while Schumacher didn't.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on August 05, 2010, 07:55:55 AM
Need to find video of what Senna did to Prost at Suzuka when the Championship was on the line. >:(

Lonny
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: stealthhaggis on August 05, 2010, 09:05:06 AM
That video is irrelevant anyway (Suuzuka one) as Senna had complained about the side of the track pole was on before the race and said that if Prost was alongside him or in front he would take him out. Everyone knew it was going to happen, the stewards took no action to prevent it. Nor did they do anything after the race, I seem to recall Senna stopping to help a crashed driver. Very different times then to now. It's all about safety nowadays and what Schumacher did was anything but.

Equally are we really going to defend Schumacher after Hill 94, Villeneuve 97 never mind the countless other times he pushed people around the track including his own brother in I think it was 99?! There was a reason Vettel's move on Alonso at Germany was called a Schumacher-esq move!

Schumacher is a thug, only now he is one with no talent. He will never ever be half the man Senna was and I didn't even support Senna. Through his actions throughout his career he has proved to be classless and arrogant. He could have been the greatest but with the overaggressive antics and his tendency to cheat, which he has shown throughout his career, he will never be anything other than statistically the best. He will never be consider by the majority to be the best.
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on August 05, 2010, 05:17:13 PM
I don't ever defend Schumacher, he's very low on my list. I just feel that Senna's no better.

Lonny
Title: Re: Schumacher: The Lunatic
Post by: stealthhaggis on August 05, 2010, 07:17:37 PM
He will always be better because he is dead, thats hat happens when people die, they become legends. But then equally Senna beat his team-mates without team orders or superior equipment and beat arguably everyone in the last great era of F1 drivers so he is more impressive. Whereas Schumacher only started getting poles when Senna died and made sure he was number one.
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