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General F1 Discussion / Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by cosworth151 on July 30, 2021, 03:11:13 PM »
The stewards have dismissed Red Bull's request to review Lewis Hamilton's Silverstone penalty. After looking at the information RBR presented to them, the stewards deemed it did not qualify as a “significant and relevant new element”.

They added that some of the slides were “not ‘discovered’ but created for the purposes of submissions to support the petition for review. And they were created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decisions. That clearly does not satisfy the requirements of Article 14.”

“The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter. Such allegations may or may not have been relevant to the Stewards if the Petition for Review had been granted. The Stewards may have addressed these allegations directly in any decision that would have followed. The Petition having been dismissed, the Stewards make no comments on those allegations.”


General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Andy B on July 29, 2021, 06:07:21 AM »
Horns on F1 cars it would be like driving in Italy!  >:D
General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Jericoke on July 28, 2021, 04:01:26 PM »
Maybe they could install horns on the cars

I would LOVE for a passing F1 car to have a huge truck style air horn to let the lead car know they're being passed.

Or do you mean horns like on a bull, so you can gore someone who turns in on you?  I'd kind of support that too.
General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Dare on July 28, 2021, 03:42:50 PM »
Maybe they could install horns on the cars
General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Jericoke on July 28, 2021, 02:17:35 PM »
I am surprised Red Bull is allowing good money to be thrown after bad. It doesn't seem to be gaining them any sympathy, and just means the FIA is £15,000 richer.

To a degree, I understand the litigation of whether a part/design philosophy is legal/illegal on an F1 car.  You either want to have a cheating car banned, or copy the design you wish you'd thought of.

Litigating a driver's reaction on track is ridiculous.  Even though the Lewis/Max crash turned out to be quite dangerous/expensive, it wasn't even the worst driving mistake of the race weekend.  If anyone makes a mistake and spins, it COULD cost millions of dollars and risk to a dozen drivers.  Should THEY be penalized as well?  Jumping the curb has shown to cause catastrophic failure in the past, should that get a race ban too?  Unsafe pit releases in a confined space with hundreds of unprotected people could create the worst disaster in modern racing, but it gets the same 10 seconds Hamilton received.

If Red Bull wants the standard to be a passing car MUST vacate where the leading car probably wants to go, I hope they've instructed their drivers to stick to that protocol, or else they'll have to sack their drivers on the grounds of safety, regardless of what the FIA rules.  (Just because the FIA allows for "reckless driving" doesn't mean RBR has to allow it)
With LH requiring a new rim the tyre changes would have covered that so nothing would have changed.
I have always found it a bit odd that repairs could be made under a red flag what happened to Park Ferme?

If it was just the rim Andy why has Wolff stated that the car would have been retired until the red flag meant they could repair it? :confused:

They could've just pitted Hammy under safety car and put new wheels on, if that's all it took.

Edit: what happened here? My reply seems to have gone missing...

The reply was: Because you can't check that it's nothing worse, or if you do check, you lose too much time for it to be worth letting the car back out.

(Which is a good reason to allow repairs under the red flag - barring them means teams will skip the checks if they think there's any chance the car might be sound, resulting in dangerous situations on the restart).
I am surprised Red Bull is allowing good money to be thrown after bad. It doesn't seem to be gaining them any sympathy, and just means the FIA is £15,000 richer.
General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by monty on July 27, 2021, 03:15:35 PM »

So RBR are pushing ahead with their ridiculous witch hunt.
Apart from pundits that are on the Red Bull payroll, most 'informed' opinions suggest that Hamilton tried an 'ambitious' move and the outcome was simply a racing incident. All of the video evidence I have seen clearly shows Hamilton slowing slightly i.e. backing out of the move but Verstappen turning in on Hamilton leaving him nowhere to go.
Hamilton was punished for being 'ambitious' and even that seems harsh to a lot of people.
There is no doubt Verstappen knew Hamilton was there so he could have taken a wider line and avoided contact.
The facts are that they were both committed to coming out of the corner in front; they both could have backed out; Hamilton was probably over committed and therefore couldn't tighten his line any more; Verstappen tried to bully Hamilton to back out of it but misjudged his positioning. I would say these facts more of less define a racing incident.
If the FIA backdown on this, and adjust Hamilton's penalty, they will lose all credibility. There have been many similar incidents (many where Verstappen has been the perpetrator) and no other team has sought legal redress. This act further damages the RBR brand in my opinion.
General F1 Discussion / Re: Hydrogen anyone?
« Last post by Jericoke on July 24, 2021, 04:13:34 PM »
I'm pretty sure, Andy, Australia is also investigating using solar farms in uninhabited areas to power hydrogen production factories.

It seems it's coming!

It's too bad Canada's uninhabited places aren't very good for solar power.

If only we could generate power from thawing permafrost!
F1 Drivers / Re: Lando now holds a very special F1 record at McLaren
« Last post by Jericoke on July 24, 2021, 04:11:39 PM »
There is the famous tussle for the 1958 championship Jeri, Stirling Moss was fighting with Mike Hawthorn for the title that year. Interestingly Peter Collins another Brit was a distant 3rd in the championship.

Moss could have won it if he hadn't sportingly intervened, after winning, at the Portuguese GP to stop Hawthorn being given a penalty. The 2nd place Hawthorn kept meant at season end he beat Stirling to the title by 1 point. - Now that's what adds to the legend for Stirling as being the best F1 driver never to win a WDC, amongst other exploits of course.

1)  Is there anyone on the grid right now who would have that level of sportsmanship?  Kimi?  Ricciardo?  I don't think they'd go out of their way to right a wrong, but would probably tell stewards that fair is fair if officially asked.

2)  The '58 Portuguese GP seems pretty interesting.  Shelby raced. There was a woman driver.  There was a 'fastest lap' point.
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