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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: FERRARI MAN 009 on January 01, 2008, 08:24:26 PM
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Would you like to see imola back or maybe adelaide, maybe you would like a street race in London or maybe somewhere in the usa. so please put your views in here.
cheers
p.s if this is in the wrong place , i am sorry but i have only been around for a couple of days
cheers
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I for 1 would like to see, immediately, Indi. It has always been a great race for me. However I think Imola would be a good race to see return to the calendar.
Rom
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The Green Hell,the old Nurburgring
But seriously Indy,Imola,and the real Japanese GP
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The Green Hell,the old Nurburgring
But seriously Indy,Imola,and the real Japanese GP
If you mean Suzuka - it's returning in 2009 and running on a bi-annual basis with the Fuji race running the years that suzuka arent
cheers
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Definitely Imola and Indy, plus the original Nurburgring
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Definitely Imola and Indy, plus the original Nurburgring
While I'd love the original Nurburgring I don't
think it would be possible with current safety
regulaions
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It certainly would'nt Dare
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its a shame in a way that the old nurburgring is not as safe as todays tracks but i really liked the adelaide circuit . does anyone know why the australlian gp moved to melbourne?
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I'd say that Bernie and his cash is the answer
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yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!
bernie was the reason why we don't go to brands hatch anymore and probably why we may never go to san marino again which would be a shame.
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A crying shame. :'(
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ian, you're pretty much right, money plus a slightly more pro-GP party in power in Melbourne caused the GP to switch venues.
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Indy, of course! The best run motorsports venue anywhere. Now that they've re-done the Turn 9 / 10 complex, it would be an even better race.
Imola should return, too.
I'd love to see a race on the old Nordschleife at the Nurburgring, too. No way it could be brought up to modern safety standards, though. The same with the pre-1983 Spa. A great track, over twice as long as today, but not up to current safety standards.
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I would like a US GP West at Laguna Seca. It would need a lot of development to come up to F1 standards but the Corkscrew would make it more than worth it. Also, they could lengthen it while making the upgrades necessary - just as long as they keep the Corkscrew.
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I would like a US GP West at Laguna Seca. It would need a lot of development to come up to F1 standards but the Corkscrew would make it more than worth it. Also, they could lengthen it while making the upgrades necessary - just as long as they keep the Corkscrew.
it's the best racing corner in the wotld ( except eau rouge at spa)
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I have always wanted to see a GP at Laguna Seca but the circuit would need a lot of work to bring it up to standard. I don't know why Herman Tilke doesn't try and design a corkscrew corner into one of his circuits. The only other circuit that has anything similar is Bathurst but I can't remember what that section of the Bathurst is called
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Here is a little something for you Steven, a lap of Bathurst with Murray Walker
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qeNypycG4k
and here is a pole position lap with Mark Skaife (good shots of the track)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SawhpwFnLFc
I hope you like them and get the name of the corner you are thinking of
Rom
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Bathurst is truly wonderful, definitely a match for Laguna Seca. But those concrete walls are the problem for F1 - Bernie would have a heart attack at the very idea. Mind you, if the saloon car boys can do it, I think the F1 guys should too.
Perhaps there's scope for a new division within F1 - the existing one for wusses and another for the real men...
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I can't find the exact corner I have in mind but it is on the section coming down off the mountain. There used to be a camera position where you could see the bottom of the cars as they dropped off a very tight left hander. I like the following clip because it gives you an appreciation of what it is like to drive the track.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=juayGkTKYEo&feature=related
I like Rom's clips and I have to repeat Martin Brundle's comment when he took Murray out in the 2 seat McLaren. I am super impressed that someone of Murray's age can handle an experience like that. He seems calmer and more in control strapped in to a race car than he ever did in a commentary box.
Murray's 2-seater run.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kAZRYZrvoZ8
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Great vid Steven, did anyone get the impression that Murray enjoyed it, I take my hat off to the guy. :good:
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I have a quiz question for you : What was murray walkers las t f1 race commentary ?
was it
a.) Usa 2001
b.) Japan 2002
c.) Nurburgring 2007
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Can I put a vote in for Kylami, I've never been there but there seem to have been some interesting tussles there in the past and the weather should mean a good race during Europes colder months.
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I have been to Kyalami and it was a great circuit. They tell me it has since been spoiled with many changes.
But notice what these circuits we appreciate have in common - elevation change. More than anything else, that is what makes a circuit interesting for the spectator and challenging for the driver. Blind rises followed by swooping corners, long straights unravelling up and down, banked corners that slingshot the car into greater speed, unbanked corners that demand respect, all require elevation change.
It is no wonder that Tilke's circuits are so often despised, given that he is invariably asked to make a featureless desert or a flat bit of swampland interesting.
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Bring back Zandvoort and Dijon. They were good enough for Gilles to push his limit they should be find for the current lot.
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That Brundle/Walker video - what impresses me far more than Murray's attitude (he is, after all, just an old fart like so many of us, finally getting the ride of his life) is Martin's driving. That guy has been out of F1 for ages yet can still get into the latest machine with complete confidence and make it go fast enough to threaten fastest lap times. He is so low key about it all that it actually hides the fact that he is doing something much more impressive than the Shoe's return to test driving after only a year off. It takes a great man to stand back, allow his own achievement to go unnoticed, while a blathering old fool has his moment in the sun! :D
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Can this be right Cham rating the aspiring apprentice above the true Grand Master?
I have witnessed Murray commentating as the trackside announcer at saloon car, formula Ford and even Kart races in almost all parts of Britain, certainly not for the money but because he genuinely loves motor racing. Throughout the lean years of F1 Murray was always there and his genuine knowledge, sense of fair play and affection for the sport along with his over enthusiastic style is sorely missed by most of us.
MW has earned his place in the hall of fame the hard way, I wonder if the other young gentleman, MB, will do ever do enough to be considered for the hall at some time in the future. The other so called commentator we get on British coverage of F1 is not worth refering to, so I won't
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Ferrari Man 009, the answer to your question is Nurburgring 2007, and I've got the tapes to prove it.
I can understand why the other two were thrown in, though - USA 2001 was his last TV F1 commentary and Japan 2002 was his last full-time commentary (he did commentaries for a year for Orange customers - alas, I didn't even have a mobile phone back then!)
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One of my greatest delights is in shocking the majority by knocking their idols off pedestals, John. And Murray Walker is just asking for it. When I think back to those many years when he was irritating the life out of me with his constant mistakes, interruptions of one or another "expert" sidekick with more of his blathering nonsense, and his exaggerated over-excitement, I have to conclude that the sentimental nonsense talked about him now comes from collective amnesia. In his heyday, we all detested him. Muddly Talker indeed.
It's true that he loves motor sport but, had he just calmed down a bit, his commentary would have been so much more accurate and worthwhile. His iconic status is the result of lasting forever, not for any great achievements.
But let us not confuse his record with Brundle's. Walker's claim to fame is in the field of commentating on motor sport, Brundle's in many years as a driver in F1. That Martin sallies forth into the commentating field is entirely thanks to already-established credentials, and the fact that he is now the best-loved of F1 commentators is an addition to his major talent, not a replacement for it.
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It is not true that we all detested Murray. I spent years arguing that he would be impossible to replace when he went. Too often I was told that whoever got the job would be infinitely better. It hasn't happened so far. The reason he is respected is not his longevity. The reason for his longevity was because he was respected.
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The very fact that you had to argue for so long that Murray was impossible to replace shows that the majority couldn't wait for him to go, Steven. As it turns out, you were right, he is impossible to replace, but only because there is no-one with quite the same blend of excitability, verbal diarrhoea and foot-in-mouth disease - Murray has set the benchmark, as ludicrous as it is, by being the voice of motor sport for so long. Now we find ourselves (apart from me) missing that inimitable delivery.
What I do miss is the quiet, slightly inebriated voice of James Hunt interjecting, "Er, no, Murray, that's actually not quite right..." Not even Brundle can do that with quite the same understated disdain.
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As a person who gets flustered at times due to my excitement, I quite like Murray, I like his little mistakes and his passion for motorsport is thoroughly infectious. How could you not like a person with an innocent child-like pure love for what he does. In the end he is not only there to call motorsport but to entertain the viewers and from what I have seen and heard from Mr Walker, he delivers each and everytime, only a humourless perfectionist would have a problem with him in my humble opinion.
Rom
P.S. :yahoo: for Murray Walker
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Ferrari Man 009, the answer to your question is Nurburgring 2007, and I've got the tapes to prove it.
I can understand why the other two were thrown in, though - USA 2001 was his last TV F1 commentary and Japan 2002 was his last full-time commentary (he did commentaries for a year for Orange customers - alas, I didn't even have a mobile phone back then!)
Yep, His last Tv commentary was USA 2001, because James Allen commentated with martin Brundle full time from Japan 2001. Murray commentated on the 2007 nurburgring grand prix for five live radio as a one off because the normal commentator was having a baby or something like that.
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David Croft went on paternity leave.
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I must be a humourless perfectionist. :D
Murray Walker is fine as a person and I admit to quite liking him as such. It's the exaggerated praise and worship he comes in for, now that he's retired, that gets me down. Has everyone forgotten how we used to complain about him when he was still commentating? He may even have been the best English language commentator of them all but that reflects on the standard of commentary, not on Walker's abilities.
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I for one Chameleon, have never slated Murray off, to me Murray Walker is to F1 what David Attenborough is to documentaries, they both have the gift of making you think that it the first time that they have witnessed their particular subject.
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Having not come across any of the pre-retirement complaints about Murray (apart from The Mirror's complaint that Murray himself alluded to in his autobiography), I can't really comment on any of this - other than I reckon Murray made fewer errors than James Allen does. I will accept that Martin Brundle is a lot more accurate, though.
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I often think Murray's replacement commentator, I can't bring myself to acknowledge him by name, is talking about a completely different race to the one I am watching. I think it's time to give Ted a rest from running up and down the pit lane and elevate him to commentate beside Martin. He can't make a worse job after all, and at least he doesn't keep talking about "a step foward" whatever the hell that means.
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I think James is okay with help from martin but he makes less mistakes than murray and james because unlike them , he raced in F1 for a number of years . i think that james and louise should do the pits. ted and tony jardine with the punditry alongside steve rider and martin brundle commentating alongside mark blundell as they know what its like to drive an F1 car.
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We never got Murry over here, so about all I know of him is the Murry's Quotes here on Wizard. He does seem to stir up stong feelings, though.
As far as bad, BAD, BAD racing sportscasters, nobody can hold a candle to Darrell "Boogity, Boogity, Boogity" Waltrip. He's the reason that everyone mutes the TV during the Fox coverage and listens to MRN radio!
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Cos,don't forget how bad Derek Daly was when CBS
aired their 4 F! races time delayed.And even
though Danny Sullivan was a ex Indy winner
and a hometown boy he didn't add much either
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Derek was a bit on the weak side, but at least he didn't have the fingernails-down-the-chalkboard quality of DW's constant prattle.
I think we can both agree that Speed's crew of Hobbs, Varsha & Co. are very, very good. We're lucky to have them.
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Fortunately youtube is full of Murray. The first is a compilation of him getting over-excited. The second is him commenting on a race with overtaking. Yes it is F1. The third one I had to put in because I haven't seen this incident in 20 years. Nothing to do with Murray although he is commenting on it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sySTUEpCP8E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=owrjMjrtWaU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SXbGDcMeo8
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Derek was a bit on the weak side, but at least he didn't have the fingernails-down-the-chalkboard quality of DW's constant prattle.
I think we can both agree that Speed's crew of Hobbs, Varsha & Co. are very, very good. We're lucky to have them.
My mind has gone blank,DW?
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I assume Darrell Waltrip. I never heard him commentate but I remember him driving.
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My mind has gone blank,DW?
Darrell "Boogity, Boogity, Boogity" Waltrip, self-proclaimed "Ol' DW."
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QeOoVVwSB7w
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kcFoemiavx0
By the way, when DW was driving, his nikname was "Jaws." Not because of his driving skills, but because of his non-stop mouth!
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Okay "ol" Darrel,it seems one of the requirements for
being a Nascar announcer is to be highly irritating
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http://youtube.com/watch?v=kcFoemiavx0
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thought i'd seen him sumwhere b4 :DD
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oFX7IgLlDk
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here's my list of one's i want to see
Indy 500
Adelaide
Pheonix
Portugal
the old hockenheim
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Combine both major formulas i.e. Indy and F1!
please see my post today re this
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Just about any non-Tilke track!