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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Calman on April 13, 2018, 01:14:12 AM
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So, what do you think folks? ...
1) Will Red Bull finish the race in the points with both cars?
2) Can Williams find some answers and reduce the 'back of the grid' embarrassment?
3) Are McLaren still looking for small improvements to finish closer to the top 3?
4) Can Mercedes win their first race of the season?
5) Will there continue to be good mid field battles between Toro Rosso, Renault and HAAS?
6) Can Force India return to their competitive ways?
... who wants to run down to William Hill and put a nice wee bet of Pierre Gasly??? 8) 8)
All the best,
Cal :)
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Looking at FP1 and FP2 then I'd say the answer to point 2 is a resounding no!
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Looking at FP1 and FP2 then I'd say the answer to point 2 is a resounding no!
Doesn’t sound like it will be a quick fix...certainly not inside of a week.
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Supposedly Williams will have nothing new on the car until Barcelona when the teams are all back at their factories on a more permanent basis. The car will probably stink until then unless they somehow unlock some magic setup that gets everything clicking together.
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Speaking of Williams, here is my useless piece of info for the day!
An Anagram of "Williams Martini Racing" is "air crawling minimalist"
Now, you can sleep easy tonight with that knowledge!!! :DD
All the best,
Cal :)
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Congrats to the RBR mechanics for getting DR’s car finished in time for Q! :yahoo: :yahoo: Loved how he drifted it out of the garage.
Too bad for Alonso and McLaren for not making it into the top 10. Red front row, silver second row and the RED Bulls on the third row. Looks like it will be a fun start, and Hamilton will be scowling today.
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My big question is how will Ferrari screw up Kimi's race. Starting to
remind me of last year when he lost interest after they screwed up his
Monaco race
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I liked Danny Ric's exit, too! The whole thing was exactly what the RBR-Renault relationship didn't need.
The entire session was proof again that Quali is the usually the high point of any F1 week-end.
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I liked Danny Ric's exit, too! The whole thing was exactly what the RBR-Renault relationship didn't need.
The entire session was proof again that Quali is the usually the high point of any F1 week-end.
I tend to agree with you Cossie. ::)
Maybe they should be considering awarding points for Quali in Liberty's new look F1 - much better than a sprint race. ;)
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Nope, no concession from me. Q needs some action. Free practice was better than Q in China
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As you all point out above, I think any neural F1 fan would be impressed with both RB and Danny Ric's performance in qualy in China ... nice to have something positive to say .... at the moment.
Perez spoiled the 2 by 2 by 2 by 2 .. but hay hum, there you go! ::)
Also a little disappointed for McLaren, as I expected them to be slightly higher up the grid, but hopefully they are better kitted out for race performance?
I think it would be unfair to start favouring Seb over Kimi, as Kim's issues have been car/team related and not by his own performance/mistakes out on track, so from that perspective, I would hope they would let 2-3 races unfold, letting Kimi race, until such times as Mercedes close the gap and Seb opens up a further gap to Kimi.
Still doom and gloom from Williams, although my pre season hunch of Sergey being slightly quicker in the car than Lance, well, it's starting to look that way!
Could be very interesting for all involved in the next 2-3 races of the season!!!
All the best,
Cal :)
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So... ...in a race full of twists and turns, arguably the winning move was getting that engine into that car in time for the end of Q1 the day before!
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It was a good final third of the race, after the Safety Car there was a lot of action and some good (and bad) racing. Interesting that there is more variety in strategies and it can affect a race's outcome.
F1 2018 so far isn't all that bad and the Halo has become invisible.
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As a massive Dan Ric supporter this was a brilliant race....he's certainly added to his value! top man
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F1 2018 so far isn't all that bad and the Halo has become invisible.
Definitely more good races than bad races so far :good:
I feel that the halo makes it hard to identify drivers, which is affecting the commentators who are naming the wrong drivers far too often to follow what's going on. :DntKnw: Let's make the halos distinct, like they used to do with the camera housing.
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F1 2018 so far isn't all that bad and the Halo has become invisible.
Yes, I suppose you could say 2018 has been "not bad" so far. Melbourne was uneventful, Bahrain delivered in a certain light and the safety car ignited the Chinese GP. At least we have had wheel to wheel, some first class overtakes and some battles through the put stop strategies.
The one thing I can't agree on, is those "invisible Halos" ... I sit a fair distance from my TV and it still feels like someone has put Chopper Handlebars on the top of the screen!!!! :DD
All the best,
Cal :)
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I think I just have a high tolerance threshold for ugly things on F1 cars :D
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So far, we've had the full gamut of possible F1 races: one dull, one interesting and one that will probably be regarded as a classic by future historians.
Halo is definitely visible. Aside from my feelings about it, I had to explain to Mum during the race that it wasn't there just to annoy people (as she couldn't figure out why it was there...). She now cannot identify any driver (thanks to the graphics being a step down from last year).
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According to Charlie there shouldn't be any problem. Each driver within a team has a different color camera, and there are those large and highly visible numbers. :tease:
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F1 clearly needs more obvious driver identification but that is a long term problem, the Halo just seems to highlight the urgency of sorting it. I just refer to the fact that I barely notice it in comparison to the racing whereas I thought it would stick out like a sore thumb.
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According to Charlie there shouldn't be any problem. Each driver within a team has a different color camera, and there are those large and highly visible numbers. :tease:
Mum can't see the numbers and has never figured out the camera colour system of identifying drivers. (For that matter, I have trouble with the camera colour system because since the move to numbers, I have trouble remembering who has the higher "number" in a team to have a particular colour in the first place). Numbers work in MotoGP, but with a few exceptions, I find they don't work for me in F1... ...or sportscars, for that matter. (Which is a problem since that's pretty much the only way sportscars get distinguished from one another within teams, and I support a team that has been known to put 10 cars into the same race!)
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Maybe something like this, from the 1967 F1 season. See if you can identify the drivers of these four cars:
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Something so simple as that would never work.
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Ok seriously, how often is anyone on here actually confused about which driver is which in a team? You have other references, including which car was last in front or behind the one in question. You have the camera colours should you want to memorize which is which. You have numbers on the cars should you want to memorize them. Then there is the driver order, 90% of the time on the screen, often highlighting some data about the car on the screen. And honestly, on the panning shots I generally get relatively good views of the helmet through the side and can usually distinguish one from the other.
Really, the halos have become a non issue for me - especially when regarding driver identification. Ugly? Yes. Practical? Yes. Disruptive of my enjoyment? No.
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I have to confess that I do not find it that tricky to follow drivers myself but I can understand other people might do.
The only thing I have difficulty differentiating between right now is the Williams and the Sauber. Baffling to create a new livery that is so similar to an existing one.
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One trick used in GT racing is painting the mirrors different colors to differentiate the different cars within a team. That might help.
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One trick used in GT racing is painting the mirrors different colors to differentiate the different cars within a team. That might help.
Why not do the mirrors like the drivers helmet? Or nationality flag?
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McLaren had the right idea, back in the days of the Tobacco thingamajig ...
(https://www.mannheim24.de/bilder/2016/11/02/6927648/164667902-formel-1-rennwagen-rollt-automuseum-ladenburg-1La7.jpg)
All the best,
Cal :)
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Ok seriously, how often is anyone on here actually confused about which driver is which in a team? You have other references, including which car was last in front or behind the one in question. You have the camera colours should you want to memorize which is which. You have numbers on the cars should you want to memorize them. Then there is the driver order, 90% of the time on the screen, often highlighting some data about the car on the screen. And honestly, on the panning shots I generally get relatively good views of the helmet through the side and can usually distinguish one from the other.
Really, the halos have become a non issue for me - especially when regarding driver identification. Ugly? Yes. Practical? Yes. Disruptive of my enjoyment? No.
I can manage it, though a lot of those "other references" have also been obscured over the last few years.
For Mum (and to a lesser extent, Dad) on the other hand:
- no strong association between most of the drivers and their assigned numbers (Mum can reliably ID the Force India drivers from their numbers because I've explained it several times, but apart from that, can only use it for Hamilton and whoever is world champion - if anyone is actually using #1, which frequently doesn't happen. Even I don't recall some of the number associations e.g. between the Toro Rosso drivers without a guide, and I've deliberately been trying to learn them for 4 years).
- The camera shots often don't depict the race number or camera colour flash very well, and in any case depend on remembering who in a team has a higher number (see previous entry for why this is a problem)
- Halo obscures the helmets, which in any case have become increasingly stylised and similar to one another (and panning shots don't help for anyone in my household)
- The new font for the graphics means that Dad and I struggle to read the leaderboard and Mum cannot do so at all. This is despite a 32" HD TV (the biggest that will physically fit in the living room) - and no, none of us is classified as visually impaired (in fact, Mum doesn't even need glasses for the TV - for any other programme).
- Starts involve more position changes than in the last few years (it's more akin to the 1990s and early 2000s now), so using grid position is of limited assistance
- The commentators often aren't talking about the thing on the screen or what Mum might be interested in.
It has reached the point where Mum has trouble following the race because she has to get me or Dad to translate what is going on for her. Contrast Formula E, where she quite happily tells us what is going on because it's made easy there...
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Ok seriously, how often is anyone on here actually confused about which driver is which in a team? You have other references, including which car was last in front or behind the one in question. You have the camera colours should you want to memorize which is which. You have numbers on the cars should you want to memorize them. Then there is the driver order, 90% of the time on the screen, often highlighting some data about the car on the screen. And honestly, on the panning shots I generally get relatively good views of the helmet through the side and can usually distinguish one from the other.
Really, the halos have become a non issue for me - especially when regarding driver identification. Ugly? Yes. Practical? Yes. Disruptive of my enjoyment? No.
The announcers on Sky are getting the drivers consistently wrong, and it is their job to tell us who we're looking at. If the professionals can't get it right.
Further, on the opening lap, as cars pass each other in long shots, I'm not looking at the timing, nor are the numbers visible (I was not aware of the camera colour coding, I will look for that in the future). I just see some red, blue and silver cars chopping across the track and running three abreast, and I'm not entirely sure who is who.
Similarly, if a car is shown in a gravel trap, there is no context to use from timing. We're dependent on the number being visible in the shot (again, I'll make the effort to spot the cameras)
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I’ll give you opening lap confusion, but even without the halo’s it was difficult to distinguish the cars.
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Clearly Vettel not happy with the SC timing - no surprise there I guess
http://en.f1i.com/news/300955-vettel-blasts-safety-car-timing-whiting-responds.html (http://en.f1i.com/news/300955-vettel-blasts-safety-car-timing-whiting-responds.html)
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I’ll give you opening lap confusion, but even without the halo’s it was difficult to distinguish the cars.
I'd like to see the FIA do away with requiring teammates run identical livery. Maybe some ground rules, like identical wings and nose, but why not provide some unique colours and advertising on a per driver basis?
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Clearly Vettel not happy with the SC timing - no surprise there I guess
http://en.f1i.com/news/300955-vettel-blasts-safety-car-timing-whiting-responds.html (http://en.f1i.com/news/300955-vettel-blasts-safety-car-timing-whiting-responds.html)
If he won the race, I am sure this complaint would be a fleeting thought in the back of his head. Either way, Charlie's explanation of how/when a safety car is deployed is concrete, so Vettel really doesn't have any justified grounds to complain!!
All the best,
Cal :)
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Charlie's words are nice here, but when it was introduced in 2015, we were not getting 2-lap delays between VSC and SC (even 1 whole lap seemed long). Words are not gelling with actions, although I don't think it's bias or intent to ruin anyone's race so much as it is continued reluctance to use the tools provided decisively enough.