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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Andy B on April 14, 2024, 10:03:07 PM
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I have just read the article below and it see the F1 engines in 2026 are to be electrical generators and will have virtually nothing to compare to road cars which has always been the argument for going down this road.
Maybe one of you knows more about the 2026 regulations but if what I have read in 2026 I maybe watching something else!
https://www.planetf1.com/news/adrian-newey-on-2026-f1-engine-regulations-strange-formula
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I remember seeing video of Coulthard testing a Williams with a continuously variable transmission. It sounded very odd, since the revs never dropped for gear changes, and the FIA banned the transmission right away.
F1 cars have changed how they look over the years, why can't they change how they sound? Running on just gasoline/petrol powered internal combustion engines makes F1 look out of date. I'd like them to open the formula up to some genuine innovation. Tell the teams they've got 20 litres (random number) of fuel to go race distance, figure out the rest. 20 litres of gas/petrol? Biodiesel? Hydroden?
In the mean time, if people really are only going to F1 for the sound... there are far cheaper options to hear loud cars.
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The FIA's 2026 F1 Power Unit Regs still list how the ICE should be connected to the clutch and gearbox. Neither would be needed if it were just part of a gen set. I found other articles that say that the elimination of the MGU-H could bring back turbo lag. Again, that wouldn't matter if it was only running a generator or alternator.
I guess it's just another FIA confused mess.
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Jeri people don't go to F1 just for the sound but the sound is part of F1 look at when turbo's were introduced and the efforts to increase the sound as everyone said they were too quiet.
There is no link between road cars and F1 I do not know of anybody who bought a type or make of car because its in F1 on the same thing who bought a Toyota because they won Le Mans?
I ride a motorcycle for pleasure and there are electric bikes out there but I do not know anybody who wants one and once of the pleasures of the I.C.E. is its sound.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRPMdY6hg50
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That is a great commercial. The Ferrari F1 Cars of the early 3 liter formula in the '60's are some of my all time favorites. Love that "bundle of snakes" exhaust.
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I'm more worried about this comment:
With the cars proving near undrivable under the original plans to only run with active rear aerodynamics, further tweaking is necessary – and Newey explained the challenge facing the teams isn’t a small one.
I can imagine, what Newey didn't say was that he's already solved the challenge (and therefore RB will now be a second a lap faster, rather than just half a second...)
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Adrian had no trouble with ICE units overworking in corners when blown diffusers were de ri·gueur. :confused:
Like all new regs & tech changes this is bound to throw up some unexpected changes - for most of us anyway - for better or worse.
Sounds more to me like Adrian maybe hawking for some changes as he can't see how he can get the jump on the rest. :D
Much as I dislike what we may be in for from Adrian's predicted scenarios F1 has always evolved, either through clever developments & manipulations of materials and engineering, or from rule changes - supposedly imposed for closer racing & more road relevance - but mostly on whims of OEMs or marketing people.
Our beloved F1 has romped on regardless, I expect it will do the same in new era, perhaps some teams will have more of a limp than others come 26. ;)
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There is no link between road cars and F1 I do not know of anybody who bought a type or make of car because its in F1 on the same thing who bought a Toyota because they won Le Mans?
"Win on Sunday, sell on Monday" has always been one of the main reasons given by car companies to justify the money they spend on racing. Marques like Ferrari & McLaren owe their very existence to racing.
The reason the FIA gave for the V6 hybrids was "to make F1 more relevant to road cars."
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Are F1 cars relevant to road cars?
I really don't think so I recently said to an F1 engineer, Mercedes, do F1 ideas go to road cars and he said it was the other way around but take a look at your own car and see what's there from F1 there's very little unless you drive a very expensive elite model.
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I didn't mean that there is actual transfer, just that the FIA claimed there is to justify the move to the turbo mini-motor hybrids.
Here in the States we did have a period of direct transfer. With out it we wouldn't have had the tastefully subtle lines of the Plymouth Road Runner Superbird / Dodge Daytona Charger. We would have missed the great practicality of the Pontiac Grand Prix 2+2 / Chevy Monte Carlo Aerocoupe. They had huge trunks (boots) but trunk lids that were so small that an inflated basketball wouldn't fit through them.
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I didn't mean that there is actual transfer, just that the FIA claimed there is to justify the move to the turbo mini-motor hybrids.
More likely it was the OEM engine manufacturers that pushed FIA into the turbo mini-motor hybrids in the first place Cossie, and poor darlings had to come up with a BS explanation for the move.
Remember back in early part of this century all the save the planet initiatives started in earnest with Hybrid or smaller turbo charged car engines all coming to the fore. OEMs were all on the hook from public & politicians to reduce fuel consumption, or go electric. ::)
2014 V6 hybrids with MGU-K MGU-H in place of V8/V10 gas guzzlers were the gold standard they came up with. We all know now of course that going Hydrogen instead would have been an even better Gold standard.
The new 26 engines without MGU-H, and a much bigger battery pack, is solely down to Porsche & Audi, who claimed they can't understand why such a technology is used. Never mind that F1 has always been leading cutting edge technology and MGU-H completely wipes out any turbo lag with small battery requirement.
I reckon Audi/Porsche probably couldn't see a way of making MGU-H work on their engines, in a reasonable time frame - say 3/4years - although they claim it's about cost, so lobbied hard for it to be dropped.
Then when it is dropped blow me Porsche drops the ball and leaves the party. :swoon:
Nah, for me it's bo**ocks to push road relevance argument, that ship sailed last century.
I suggest it's more about excellence of engineering and being placed high up grid that adds glamour & sales for Merc, Aston, McLaren, Ferrari & even Honda.
God knows what Renault/Alpine get out of it - answers on a postcard to Bruno Famin at Enstone. :D :DD :DD :DD