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Title: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: cosworth151 on October 04, 2012, 01:11:12 PM
I wasn't sure if I should post this in Williams, Barrichello, or Pictures and Jokes.

Rubens Barrichello blames Williams lack of success on the team's two young drivers.

"And it is a shame, because I believe that they should have, at least, double the number of points that they in fact have. This happens, of course, because of the inexperience of the drivers, who are fast, but don't know how to get the chances that the equipment they have in their hands provides them."

Have any replacements in mind, Rubino?

http://www.racer.com/barrichello-drivers-hurting-williams/article/261984/?DCMP=EMC-RACER_DAILY&spMailingID=4885847&spUserID=MjMyNjk2NjU2MQS2&spJobID=54633579&spReportId=NTQ2MzM1NzkS1 (http://www.racer.com/barrichello-drivers-hurting-williams/article/261984/?DCMP=EMC-RACER_DAILY&spMailingID=4885847&spUserID=MjMyNjk2NjU2MQS2&spJobID=54633579&spReportId=NTQ2MzM1NzkS1)
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 04, 2012, 02:56:48 PM
I saw that too this morning and was going to post it while asking why Autosport so often posts Rubens Ramblings.

Yes Rubens, I'm sure the reason the Williams is so much better this year is thanks to your tireless development and wonderful feedback as you smeared another wall with one - it certainly had nothing to do with the strong engineering backbone Williams is known for.  The fact that a pay driver can win a race in one while you struggled to even get a point in most races.  :fool: :fool: :fool:
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: F1fanaticBD on October 04, 2012, 08:44:38 PM
They would not give you the driving seat Rubens, so please stop whining..

I understand that you still have the passion to drive in F1, but your are just not quick enough or potential enough to be nurtured for future prospect, so stop this crying, to get a seat at the Williams..
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Dare on October 06, 2012, 02:07:55 AM
Sorry Cos but I think the engine switch is a
big factor too.

I see nothing to gain by commenting on Rube's Rant :sick:
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: cosworth151 on October 06, 2012, 05:37:18 AM
You're right, Dare. Without the engine swap, Williams would be leading the WCC.  :P  ;)
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: F1fanaticBD on October 06, 2012, 10:44:54 AM
Apologies Cos, but definitely fighting in the other end of WCC, fiercely with HRT, perhaps decided by who finished the most.. ;)
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Williamsfan on October 07, 2012, 02:06:28 PM
Ah, Rubinho, the (former) whinge bag of F1. 

I'm so glad Williams dropped him even if it was for Bruno Senna.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: F1fanaticBD on October 07, 2012, 06:02:37 PM
Ah, Rubinho, the (former) whinge bag of F1. 

I'm so glad Williams dropped him even if it was for Bruno Senna.

I expected Bruno to be a little more committed and pushing things hard, but I have a feeling that he is there just because of his uncle's legacy, not with the talent of his own.

Williams is stuck with a madman and slow sloth, and despite having a better car than Sauber, because of this two, they are not there where they should have been. But I am in no way saying Rubens should be brought back. After a performance like that Kobayashi may be fancied?
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Williamsfan on October 07, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
I was only thinking about Kobayashi driving for Williams earlier today actually.  I think if things in Venezuela in their elections go a certain way, there is every chance PDVSA will be forced out of their extravagant sponsorship deal and I feel that Pastor will end up out of Williams.  A pity as despite my rantings I want him to succeed and replicate his good pace but without the dodgy dangerous moments.  I cannot see Sir Frank keeping him around without the cash.  As such I could possibly see Kobayashi coming in, he 'may' be able to find some Japanese sponsorship or the team might be able to get a better deal with 'Rays' for their wheels.

As for Senna, I actually think he is an okay driver, his race pace is pretty good if I'm honest but all too often his Saturday performances mean he is always going to fight a losing battle on Sunday.  I would be very surprised though if Bottas does not replace him for next season.  Apparently there are many at Williams who think Valterri is the fastest of our numerous drivers. 
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 07, 2012, 09:29:33 PM
I was only thinking about Kobayashi driving for Williams earlier today actually.  I think if things in Venezuela in their elections go a certain way, there is every chance PDVSA will be forced out of their extravagant sponsorship deal and I feel that Pastor will end up out of Williams.  A pity as despite my rantings I want him to succeed and replicate his good pace but without the dodgy dangerous moments.  I cannot see Sir Frank keeping him around without the cash.  As such I could possibly see Kobayashi coming in, he 'may' be able to find some Japanese sponsorship or the team might be able to get a better deal with 'Rays' for their wheels.

Sorry BD and WF, I don't agree.  Just how do you come to the conclusion that the Williams is a better car this year than the Sauber??  Because the drivers are crap that the car must be good?  Quali and races, Sauber has dominated Williams, and shown up many a better team (remember Ferrari copied the rear end early in the season, and Sauber has shown the car manages the Pirelli's better than anyone on the grid).  On top of that, exactly WHY would Kobaiyashi want to leave a team that has supported him through the good the bad and the ugly, while he brought hardly a sponsorship dollar (I think they get free TV's or something).  Sauber has given Kobai plenty of opportunities and quite a few points (10th and 11th places for him and Perez at the moment).  Why would he want to look back down the grid for a drive when Perez gets thrown into a Mclaren??  Kobi will be looking ahead for any change of a drive, not at a Williams.

As well, why would Sauber want to let him go after the past two seasons?  He's wrecked a few cars, but what's a little carbon fibre?  He's also shown spurts of speed often enough that proves he is talented enough to risk, they just have to keep trying to tame him a little and teach him patience.  They have let Perez go, and he was the one bringing big money.  They won't change two drivers at a time, so Kobi will stay.  Sorry Frank.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on October 08, 2012, 04:42:06 AM
History shows a driver generally runs better in his home GP than other GPs. If Kamui wants to insure his seat, a couple good finishes in the remaining races would be a good start.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Williamsfan on October 08, 2012, 08:23:33 AM
Scott, wait up big guy.  I did not suggest that Williams is better than Sauber, not even I am that much of a super fan.  I am thinking in relation to the fact there is a lot of speculation linking Kamui to an exit from Sauber, not due to any crazed notion that Kamui is after a better seat.  That is all, speculation has gotten me thinking that 'if' he is dropped, then I would like to see him in the Williams next year.  After all, Massa was going around telling people that Hulkenberg and Gutierrez will be Sauber's drivers next year according to Sky. So anything is possible.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 08, 2012, 08:58:31 AM
I hadn't heard any recent speculation of him being dropped, and have missed any Sky coverage.  I think Sauber would be wrong to let him go.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Williamsfan on October 08, 2012, 09:09:56 AM
I also think Sauber would be wrong to drop him given how popular he has become and due to the pace he has.  He's done a really good job and has just been overshadowed by Perez. 

Still, a move to a race winning team wouldn't be a bad thing  :tease:
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: F1fanaticBD on October 08, 2012, 07:09:56 PM
Oops Scot I might have ticked one of your Swiss nerve eh? I put the word better than Sauber because if Maldonado have not been the madman they easily could have got another 3 podiums, and might have given a load of more success. Why I am staying with my point is the fact, Cataluniya is very technical circuit, and it does showcase the overall ability of your car, and Williams scored there fair and square,so I wanted to put Williams a notch higher than Sauber. Sauber is a good mid-field runner, but never in any race they look like a out and out winner, while for one race Williams looked like a true winner. I if Maldonado have been a bit little less madman, I could have said, that win in the Spain was not a fluke from Williams, but Mr. Pastor has not done any favor to me.

I have been listening to many rumors and Sauber is yet to confirm their seat, that is what making me suspicious. I guess they are keeping an open field so that if they could manage a pay-driver or someone like Perez with a great backing to fill in. Its all speculation and my point is that I would hate to see Kobayashi leave the paddock so early.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Irisado on October 08, 2012, 10:04:29 PM
I think that Rubens has a point, and I also disagree with the negative comments about him, as I always had a lot of time for him.

I agree that he sounds a bit bitter here, which isn't to his credit, but this shouldn't, in my view, detract from the qualities which he showed during his Formula 1 career, and I do think that Williams made a mistake replacing him with Senna, who was unconvincing when he drove for Hispania and Renault.

Maldonado certainly has the pace, but he is so horribly inconsistent (as he was in GP2) that it has been no surprise to me that he has shone at times, and been involved in a lot of incidents.  If Williams wanted to replace Rubens, they needed to go with someone of a higher calibre than Senna, in my view, in order to give themselves more of a chance of moving up the constructors' table this year.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: John S on October 09, 2012, 01:08:03 AM
I was only thinking about Kobayashi driving for Williams earlier today actually.  I think if things in Venezuela in their elections go a certain way, there is every chance PDVSA will be forced out of their extravagant sponsorship deal and I feel that Pastor will end up out of Williams.  A pity as despite my rantings I want him to succeed and replicate his good pace but without the dodgy dangerous moments.  I cannot see Sir Frank keeping him around without the cash.


Despite international press speculation to the contrary Hugo Chavez walked the election in Venezuela, so I guess Pastor will be staying on at Williams.  :yahoo:  

To all you doubters at least Maldonado is learning from his faults,  :P  where as 'nutcase' Grosjean appears to have a far more intractable problem. Ex F1 drivers are now voicing concerns over Grosjean's instinctive driving technique, or rather lack of same.  :(
They say the starts in F1 are so fast and intense that all of them cope instinctively with the situation, it can't be taught or gained from experience  - you either have it or not!  In Grosjean's case it appears not and it may be terminal for his F1 career.

Maybe Rubens is targeting the wrong team for a comeback.  ;)

Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Williamsfan on October 09, 2012, 08:53:45 AM
I am not so sure, Pastor is sounding right now like someone who may be about to move team.  Saying things like keeping his options open for 2013 and trying to share the blame with the team saying the car has not been fast enough.  I wouldn't object to him staying on as his pace is undoubted and he does appear to be calming down, but then I wouldn't cry if he left (unless his funding isn't replaced!). But it seems certain he'll be on the grid somewhere next year now.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 11, 2012, 12:14:59 PM
I'm eatin' humble pie this morning...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103280 (http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/103280)

I am VERY surprised Sauber is requiring two pay drivers for next year.  Kobaiyashi hasn't brought sponsorship until now, so it is a bit hard for a driver to just run out and find millions in sponsorship for the following season.  I am surprised Sauber has put this pressure on their drivers instead of their commercial director.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Alianora La Canta on October 12, 2012, 09:22:37 AM
I can only conclude that Rubens is auditioning to become a cuddlier replacement for Niki Lauda in the "ex-F1 freelance sweeping statement pundit" category.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: cosworth151 on October 12, 2012, 01:09:38 PM
I was just listening to Midweek Motorsports on Radio Le Mans. They brought up the fact that Pastor brings more money with him than any other pay driver this season, £45m. It seems to me like that wouldn't even cover the breakage.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2012, 02:39:00 PM
£45m

Is that a typo?  £45 is $75m or 55m Euro.  That would probably keep the whole grid in carbon fibre for the season.  I think £4.5m is more realistic.
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: cosworth151 on October 12, 2012, 02:51:03 PM
That's right. Pastor is the good friend of Hugo Chávez, the Venezuela president. Chávez is shoveling truckloads of petrodollars into Maldonado's career.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/16/pastor-maldonado-f1-money-drivers (http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/16/pastor-maldonado-f1-money-drivers)
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: Scott on October 12, 2012, 03:56:11 PM
If Maldonado is bringing £45m/yr, then what the heck is Williams doing whinging about not enough money?  That and the rest of their sponsors, they should be flush.  :DntKnw:
Title: Re: Barrichello Bashes Williams Drivers
Post by: John S on October 12, 2012, 10:54:28 PM
If Maldonado is bringing £45m/yr, then what the heck is Williams doing whinging about not enough money?  That and the rest of their sponsors, they should be flush.  :DntKnw:

The big problem is that they only finished 9th in the constructors standings last year. That will have left them tens of millions, maybe even a hundred mill, short of their take from 6th in the table in 2010.

In the constructors table 'points really does mean prizes' :D  huge ones, :swoon: - if you get enough that is.  ;)

 
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