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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Calman on May 18, 2018, 07:04:16 AM
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Well, this has been talked about "Many Many Many" times in the past (said in a Police Academy style voice), but it may now be addressed by the boss man and his merry men. It is one of those F1 regulations which always split an audience, as it could be argued that it currently ruins races for back markers, but if removed, it could destroy races for the guys at the front. Also, if Mad Max and Romain Rally Car can't get past a "Sunday Driver" .... will they simply bash their way past???
Furthermore, would this encourage teams to play "dirty tactics". Personally, I think blue flags should stay, but here we go again, another potential new approach since the new boss arrived in town.
Thought guys ...
All the best,
Cal :)
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I agree that blue flags need to be reviewed, but not necessarily removed. There needs to be some judgement used. If a back marker is driving correctly and not intentionally blocking, then no blue flag is required. The overtaking car should have to go off line to overtake. If there is a dispute and the back marker is intentionally blocking, then throw the flag, even call him in for a stop-n-go to punish him.
I don't like blue flags thrown all the time, and I like to see passing, even if it happens to be a lead car on a lapped car. It will also affect strategy a bit more, which is only a plus.
If too many cars become back markers that the lead cars need to lap, then perhaps there is a different problem in F1 and those lead teams should consider helping the lagging teams find a bit more speed so they don't get in the way. :tease: :tease: :tease:
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I think the blue flags could be done away with entirely. Give a lap's grace and then issue a backmarker with a driving standards flag (black-and-white) if they are still in the way of the lapping car - if we even must have a rule preventing backmarkers from racing everyone equally.
(Obligatory sportscar fan perspective here)
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I'd like to see the blue flag be used strictly for driver info, to alert the back marker that faster cars are coming up behind. After that, I'd go with what Ali said above.
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Supposedly the rule change about front wings, which is causing controversy itself, should make overtaking a bit easier. Therefore it seems the ideal time to change blue flag rule as well, getting past back markers in theory will be a doodle as running in dirty air will be much easier.
It's about time the high paid front running drivers started earning the big bucks by showing their class.
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It's about time the high paid front running drivers started earning the big bucks by showing their class.
Here! here!! ... it reminds me of the days when Seb drove for RBR in the early days of his career. He was terrible in traffic, but easily held the lead at the front of the grid. I think every neutral fan would welcome easier overtaking and some fair revision on the blue flags.
All the best,
Cal :)
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I like the idea of scrapping Blue Flags although I am left wondering in this era of so few engine manufacturers whether we might see more deliberate blocking. Say Vettel is coming up to the Williams and, by some miracle the Williams is able to stay on the road in a straight line, perhaps Mercedes might apply a little pressure to get the team to hold Vettel for a while. Ditto for other teams.
But, that aside, I think losing the flags would only add to the racing.
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If the removal of Blue Flags went ahead, I would like to hope that faster cars stuck behind slower cars, led to better strategy/pit stops ... but you know it will likely cause more "dirty tactics" than anything else and you think things are bad right now with drivers lamenting about the lack of blue flags being waved!!!
All the best,
Cal :)
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I think that this is a positive idea: blue flags used to be a simple warning to drivers, rather than a 'three strikes and you're penalised' system, and that's how they should still be used. Yes, some drivers will be caught out and may lose position, but getting through the backmarkers efficiently was as much a skill as late breaking or controlling oversteer. To be honest in the modern era of real time data etc, anything that showcases the skill of the driver is the be applauded
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Welcome to GP Wizard, geralddickens (I don't think I've seen your previous posts) ...and I like how you think :)
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+1 Blue flags used to be an advisory- hey a faster car is coming up, use caution, expect a passing attempt.
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+1 Blue flags used to be an advisory- hey a faster car is coming up, use caution, expect a passing attempt.
Gone are those days!! ... and the main reason I would support their removal, would be "the cream" in the pack, expecting them to jump out the way when they are quarter of a lap behind them, especially when the slow car hits a chicane and can't just "dissolve".
Wasn't there an incident in the last couple of races, where a driver came on the radio to ask about blue flags, before realising that the driver in front was there on merit (not lapped).
All the best,
Cal :)
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This appears to have become some of the drivers default radio message "Blue flags, blue flags"
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This appears to have become some of the drivers default radio message "Blue flags, blue flags"
That's Alonso's approach, Vettel would mumble something low key like "C'mon now, Charlie?" ... and Kimi would be more along the lines of an angry robot ... "GET THIS BLEEP!! BLEEP!! OUT OF THE WAY!" :DD :DD
All the best,
Cal :)
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... and Kimi would be more along the lines of an angry robot ... "GET THIS BLEEP!! BLEEP!! OUT OF THE WAY!"
Ha, Kimi doesn’t like to talk...that would be Max’s rant.
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Kimi tends to keep it all penned in until after he's passed a particularly slow backmarker, and then say something like "What was he doing?" (a raised last syllable being the only sign of stress he displays for the entire race, as Kimi puzzles the endless mystery that is irrational humanity)
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Kimi tends to keep it all penned in until after he's passed a particularly slow backmarker, and then say something like "What was he doing?" (a raised last syllable being the only sign of stress he displays for the entire race, as Kimi puzzles the endless mystery that is irrational humanity)
Kimi really is the best on the radio, at least since the duo of Smedly and Massa was broken up.
I remember a few seasons ago Lewis Hamilton was constantly trying to say something memorable on the radio. He finally gave up I think.
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Kimi tends to keep it all penned in until after he's passed a particularly slow backmarker, and then say something like "What was he doing?" (a raised last syllable being the only sign of stress he displays for the entire race, as Kimi puzzles the endless mystery that is irrational humanity)
Kimi really is the best on the radio, at least since the duo of Smedly and Massa was broken up.
I remember a few seasons ago Lewis Hamilton was constantly trying to say something memorable on the radio. He finally gave up I think.
Speaking of Lewis and Radio Messages, does anyone remember the race when he was irritated and constantly asking his engineer for settings advice, only to be told "Sorry Lewis, I can't give you that information or instruct on what setting you should be on" ... words to that effect anyway.
I think he found his way 500 sub menus deep on his wheel!!! :D
All the best,
Cal :)
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Two races ago, Lewis was complaining about something for the 4th time (just counting number of occasions played on TV) when his engineer said "I'm sorry, all I can hear are wind noises."
And I thought, "That's because he's being a windbag..."
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Two races ago, Lewis was complaining about something for the 4th time (just counting number of occasions played on TV) when his engineer said "I'm sorry, all I can hear are wind noises."
And I thought, "That's because he's being a windbag..."
Love this..he's a proper moaner. :DD
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Speaking of Lewis and Radio Messages, does anyone remember the race when he was irritated and constantly asking his engineer for settings advice, only to be told "Sorry Lewis, I can't give you that information or instruct on what setting you should be on" ... words to that effect anyway.
I think he found his way 500 sub menus deep on his wheel!!! :D
All the best,
Cal :)
In fairness Cal I'm pretty sure that message comes from a time when the FIA banned all driver aid instructions over radio during races. Lewis will not have been alone in getting the bums rush from his engineer.
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Speaking of Lewis and Radio Messages, does anyone remember the race when he was irritated and constantly asking his engineer for settings advice, only to be told "Sorry Lewis, I can't give you that information or instruct on what setting you should be on" ... words to that effect anyway.
I think he found his way 500 sub menus deep on his wheel!!! :D
All the best,
Cal :)
In fairness Cal I'm pretty sure that message comes from a time when the FIA banned all driver aid instructions over radio during races. Lewis will not have been alone in getting the bums rush from his engineer.
You are spot on ... is was during the limited technical info sharing period. However, I think there was another event during one of the races early this season, where he was in a similar position? ... maybe not asking for technical info or being denied feedback from his engineer, but it was along the same lines, just 'less critical' circumstances from what I recall.
All the best,
Cal :)