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F1 News & Discussions => F1 History => Topic started by: Chameleon on July 28, 2007, 04:00:53 AM
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One of my favourite stories from the past concerns Sterling Moss and Mike Hawthorn. I can't remember what year it was, sometime in the late fifties I think, but it happened at Le Mans at the beginning of the race. Maybe someone with a better memory than mine can supply the missing details.
In those days, of course, the 24 hour race was started with the famous "Le Mans start" - the cars were lined up on one side of the start/finish straight with the drivers in a line on the other side of the road. When the flag dropped, the drivers would sprint across the road, leap into their cars and off they'd go (What, safety harnesses? What are those?). It was chaotic and highly dangerous - some photos show drivers strolling across the road while others raced for all they were worth.
Mike and Sterling had qualified near the front (I forget what cars they were driving) but Mike had been studying the rules the previous night and noticed a loophole. When the drivers were all lined up, Mike ran for his car long before the flag dropped. Realising what was happening, Sterling yelled, "You bastard, Mike!" and also leapt into action. The rest watched in amazement as the two jumped into their cars and set off; then the flag dropped and the usual chaos ensued.
Mike had noticed that nowhere in the rules did it say that drivers had to wait for the flag to drop once they were lined up. So he took it literally and went as soon as the line had formed. And Sterling wasn't about to let him get the jump on him like that, so he went too.
As far as I know, neither driver was penalised for the stunt but I reckon the flaw in the rules was covered for the following year!
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Great story there Chameleon....it just goes to show the details really DO matter...
:DD
Rom
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A perfect example of the competitive spirit that exists in real racers.
On a much more amateur note I noticed this myself lately. A group of old racers - literally, oldest was 74 and youngest was my brother at 58 - decided to get together for an evening of Karting, followed by a meal.
There were 10 of us on the grid, but as soon as the starter waved the flag we were away and doing absolutely everything to try and gain positions. It was like going back 40 years. Second just wasn't good enough, and with my heart condition it perhaps wasn't the most sensible thing for me to be doing, but I really couldn't believe how that competitive urge suddenly was right there again taking over from common sense.
We all suffered for the next week or so with stiff backs, necks, shoulders, arms. In fact stiff everything except what we can only dream about these days. :yahoo:
Like the saying goes, you don't stop playing when you get old; you get old when you stop playing.
I can't wait for the next kart meeting.
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Hope this helps the topic.
stirling moss and mike hawthorn le mans 50s
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sk2irKVQB4I
Stig
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Another great site for Hawthorn
http://www.mike-hawthorn.org.uk/pathe.php
Great to bookmark.
Stig
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Wow, I am in awe. That video is priceless history; it brings together so many legendary and important facets of motor racing history - the great Mike Hawthorn, actually talking to us through what must have been the prototype of today's in-car cameras and microphones (love the way they taped the massive mic in front of his face), the glorious D-type Jaguar, and Le Mans as it was when littered with cyclists and family runabouts (Mike's comment: "Typical French"!).
Thanks, Stig, you've provided us with real treasure there.
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I am pleased that you enjoyed it.This one shows a few bad scenes,but conveys the the racing theme, and the dangers of the time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXtb5eDUuQw&mode=related&search=
Stig
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Great story Chameleon! So many personalities back then.
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Thanks Stig.
All super stuff.
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More great vids Stig, but that '55 Le Mans, terrible was'nt it, but, all the curcuits I have been to have notices stating ' motorsport is dangerous ', but you just don't expect that do you.
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the dangers of motor racing should'nt
include the fans
How'd you like to go to a wrestling
match and have a wrestler come in the
audience and perform a pile driver on you :D
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But if your sitting in the front row and one guy gets lobbed out of the ring into your face, surely thats the same thing, although it won't be at 120mph
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Ian,Safety has changed since those days.
I think what we have today,is the best we can have,gleamed from all the past events.
Stig
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Safety has comea long way,but all
it takes is one car to get airbourne
and that could all change
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Look at the old footage,and relate it to today.
I think the drivers are more protected !
Stig
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Your right Stig, but, God forbid, accidents can always happen, although drivers and spectators are more protected nowadays, fingers crossed.
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As the Stig says, much has been done in the area of safety, both for the drivers and the audience, since those days. There was much controversy surrounding that crash and even Mike Hawthorn received blame from some sources. Perhaps the most important cause is highlighted in another thread started by the Stig today, however: quality of drivers. Pierre Levegh was getting on in years and had never been much of a racer at the best of times. This was probably his last chance at driving a top flight car and many had advised Mercedes against putting him into it. But they went ahead and slowing reflexes, tiredness after many hours of racing, and the huge speed differentials between the prototypes and the almost standard sportscars also entered created that terrible accident.
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One just has to look at photos of the tracks back in the 60's to see spectators standing right at the edge of the pavement. Compare that to the massive catch fences seen at tracks today. While anyting that includes four wheeled fuel tanks charging about at 320 kph will always carry a certain amount of danger, modern circuits do a good job of balancing spectator safety with viewing access.
Look at the old footage,and relate it to today.
I think the drivers are more protected !
I think Robert Kubica proved that at Montreal. It makes me think of Sterling Moss talking about when he started. His father asked if he was going to wear a helmet. Moss replied, "That would be a bit sissy, wouldn't it?"
Cos