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Title: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Jericoke on April 17, 2011, 02:47:24 PM
Heroes (get settled, it's a long list today)

Mark Webber.  18 to 3rd?  7 seconds behind the winner?  Are you kidding me?

Lewis Hamilton.  He's hardly an old dog, but he's quite adept at learning new tricks.

Massa.  Looks like he's got his mojo back.

Rosberg.  Mercedes is looking like they can play with the big boys.

Lotus.  Only one lap down.

HRT.  Double finish!

Virgin.  Double finish!

FIA/Pirelli.  I think they've got it.  That was one of the best races I remember seeing, from start to finish.

The field.  Really.  There were a few silly moves here and there, but there was gambling on different strategies and tactics.  23 professional race car drivers guided by dozens of brilliant tacticians.  That's what F1 should look like!

Zeroes

Perez.  Rookie jitters I suppose.

Button.  I know that you're wearing different coveralls every day, but your pit crew hasn't changed.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Dare on April 17, 2011, 03:13:20 PM
missed another one but it sounded good,now that were getting back to
a civilized time for race I'll be in race central next time

1 dnf,that one caught everyone by surprise
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: romephius on April 17, 2011, 03:19:41 PM
Heroes:

Webber - of course, one of the best drives in years, 18th to 3rd. What a driver
Hamilton - great planning and staying calm despite his pre-race troubles.
Massa - gaining the pre-accident form we love from him.

Zeroes:

Button - seriously, how do you get your pit box wrong? Rookie mistake
Pirelli - still not a fan, the tires aren't right yet.
Perez - it's not dodgem cars
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Scott on April 17, 2011, 03:42:44 PM
Heroes (get settled, it's a long list today)

Mark Webber.  18 to 3rd?  7 seconds behind the winner?  Are you kidding me?

Lewis Hamilton.  He's hardly an old dog, but he's quite adept at learning new tricks.

Massa.  Looks like he's got his mojo back.

Rosberg.  Mercedes is looking like they can play with the big boys.

Lotus.  Only one lap down.

HRT.  Double finish!

Virgin.  Double finish!

FIA/Pirelli.  I think they've got it.  That was one of the best races I remember seeing, from start to finish.

The field.  Really.  There were a few silly moves here and there, but there was gambling on different strategies and tactics.  23 professional race car drivers guided by dozens of brilliant tacticians.  That's what F1 should look like!

Zeroes

Perez.  Rookie jitters I suppose.

Button.  I know that you're wearing different coveralls every day, but your pit crew hasn't changed.

You covered it all Jeri.  The only thing I can think of was that Button figured he was the only one coming into the pits at that moment and was busy fumbling with dials and buttons until he realized his F-up.  Did you see him interviewed after the race?  He had a silly grin on his face the whole time just waiting for the inevitable question, but I guess Ms MacKenzie gave him a break by not asking anything about it.

Also in the post-race press conference when Webber mentioned he was happy Hamilton took it from Vettel there was silence...he fumbled to explain himself, but I don't think he did any favours for himself from Vettel or the RBR management.

Wizzo and I had fun in the chat room ALL BY OURSELVES (ok, Ian was there for the first bit).  Don't worry, we didn't spend the whole time talking about the rest of you...  :P :P
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Jericoke on April 17, 2011, 06:30:00 PM
The only thing I can think of was that Button figured he was the only one coming into the pits at that moment and was busy fumbling with dials and buttons until he realized his F-up.  Did you see him interviewed after the race?  He had a silly grin on his face the whole time just waiting for the inevitable question, but I guess Ms MacKenzie gave him a break by not asking anything about it.

Also in the post-race press conference when Webber mentioned he was happy Hamilton took it from Vettel there was silence...he fumbled to explain himself, but I don't think he did any favours for himself from Vettel or the RBR management.

Wizzo and I had fun in the chat room ALL BY OURSELVES (ok, Ian was there for the first bit).  Don't worry, we didn't spend the whole time talking about the rest of you...  :P :P

We don't get the expanded BBC coverage.  Basically, we pick things up 5 minutes before the parade lap, and end with the English language interview of the podium finishers.  (It was nice that Brundle acknowledged we were joining in part way!)

I miss chatting, but I just can't handle watching a race at 3 am... though I think that this race would have kept me interested!
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Ian on April 17, 2011, 06:51:48 PM
Super Hero.....Mark Webber

Doughnut.......Jenson Button


Great race though
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Williamsfan on April 17, 2011, 08:45:08 PM
Everything has been pretty much covered that I noticed from the race.  Mark Webber though, what a drive, epic stuff!  No idea how he pulled that off without a fully functioning KERS!
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: John S on April 17, 2011, 08:49:46 PM
Super Hero.....Mark Webber

Doughnut.......Jenson Button


Great race though

Jammie Doughnut for Button as he could have earned a penalty for the wrong box.  ::)

Heroes

Webber - simply class of the field  :yahoo: - no KERS, out of position and written off by the so called knowledgeable commentators until half way thru the race, what a comeback.  :yahoo: :yahoo:

Lewis - for dropping his Gille Villeneuve must attack every lap attitude, the win was about head as well as heart.

Kobayashi - still a must watch for his offline overtakes that he is not afraid to try, and more important make stick. Got a point as well.

Zeros

Red Bull - strategy for Seb was not the fastest way to finish the race and cost him the win - ask Mark boys.  :P

Ferrari & Alonso - where oh where has your speed gone. Not sure a different strategy would have made any difference.

Williams - Kovalainen in the Lotus nearly caught both of you.  :o



 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Williamsfan on April 17, 2011, 08:59:45 PM
Williams is in danger of becoming a one car team again, and a slow one car team at that.  Bring back Kazuki on Pastor's current form! 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Philbe on April 17, 2011, 09:16:40 PM
Have to agree...best race so far this season...only 1 car out!! Boy, if the big 3 could figure out that reliability we would have some great cars.

My hero was Webber for sure...dare I say it..an MS type of run thru the field.

Zero is for sure the tires. When the other teams can speculate when the other cars will be going slower due to the fall off of the tires, there is an issue.
 
Parez...maybe he'll be better at touring cars.

Phil
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: John S on April 17, 2011, 09:30:58 PM

Zero is for sure the tires. When the other teams can speculate when the other cars will be going slower due to the fall off of the tires, there is an issue.
 
Phil

I Blame the teams for their strategy calls on number of stops, not Pirelli, if some of the teams got the predictions spot on so could all of them. It's the big boys league after all, when they get the stategy right they look good - get it wrong and they lose places and look foolish.

 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Williamsfan on April 17, 2011, 09:41:45 PM
Yeah, today showed strategy counts and I hope that throughout the season teams and drivers keep getting it wrong at times.  That is what made today exciting.  If all teams had 3 stopped it might have lacked some of the intrigue we had today.  I mean, 3 stopping took Webber from 18th to 3rd but two stopping Vettel from 1st to 2nd...  It was brilliant to see who took which gambles! 
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: David on April 17, 2011, 09:59:09 PM
Heroes

Hamilton – Master class of overtaking, very entertaining to watch. A deserved win.

Webber – Where did he come from? What a drive!

Massa – If only he had have been on a three stopper he just might have scored a few more points. The car really looked great as did he.  :good:

di Resta – The future in F1 should be long. Love this guy.

Kovalainen – Getting the very most out of his Lotus.

Pirelli – These tyre have made such a difference, I was on the edge of my seat the whole race. I know there is some negative on the tyres but I think it’s a matter of the drivers and the teams learning to manage them.

Zeroes

Alonso – Get yer finger out the wee man is showing you the road. Great to see him fighting with Schumacher all the same.

Ferrari – Two stops?  :fool:

Button – Without the mistakes he could have been standing where Lewis was. No comment on the pit stop.  :DD

Perez – Where did the promising form go? You can be driving like that.  :nono:
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Willy on April 18, 2011, 01:02:29 AM
Hero's.
Webber - he gave a master class in focused, driven race driving. He should start from back every race so as to give himself some juice.
Hamilton - great drive from the start and way to get ahead of Vettel. Not always a Hamilton fan but was cheering for him today.
Pirelli - Love the drop off in performance as it shakes things up and adds another element that has been missing.
DRS/FIA - Any way to increase passing has a thumbs up from me.  :good:

Zero's.

Button - Just checking, you are with Mclaren...right?
Perez - You will get better.


This was the best race I have watched in a few seasons!!
This one race has gone a long way to restoring my excitement about F1 that was flagging due to boring races.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 18, 2011, 02:03:52 PM
Wizzo and I had fun in the chat room ALL BY OURSELVES (ok, Ian was there for the first bit).  Don't worry, we didn't spend the whole time talking about the rest of you...  :P :P

You were? I was logged into the chatroom for the whole post-race forum and there was nobody visible there!
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 18, 2011, 02:14:27 PM
Heroes:

Webber - That is fightback of the year. 18th, no KERS, electronics glitches... ...I assumed he'd finish 12th at best, trapped behind a Toro Rosso (this was when I thought Toro Rosso would be some good). Then he seemed to pick the worst possible strategy. Then he fought through, made the apparent vice of a strategy a virtue, did some great overtaking and ended up 1.5 seconds ahead of the team-mate who'd had an easy time of it all race!

di Resta - one front-left tyre away from a third consecutive points score. Well fought.

Karthikeyan - for doing a 1-stop strategy and nearly making it work (only overtaken by Liuzzi, who is realistically his only rival, on the final lap).

Zeroes:

Pιrez - it takes a pretty bad race to cause two crashes in the space of four laps (against Heidfeld and Sutil). I consider you lucky you only received one penalty for your misdemeanours.

Button - your guys are grey, not blue. Though they might have felt blue after you parked in the wrong garage.

Toro Rosso - for the wheel that came off Alguersuari's car.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Scott on April 18, 2011, 02:15:26 PM
Wizzo and I had fun in the chat room ALL BY OURSELVES (ok, Ian was there for the first bit).  Don't worry, we didn't spend the whole time talking about the rest of you...  :P :P

You were? I was logged into the chatroom for the whole post-race forum and there was nobody visible there!

I had to leave right after the checker flag...not sure if Wizzo stuck around.
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on April 19, 2011, 03:06:09 AM
Webber put in the drive of the season. Doubt we will see anything like that the rest of the year. How long can Red Bull continue to hold him back? He and Vettel need to swap crews like they do in NASCAR. Hamilton showed good sense in holding back a set of softs during qually, then using them to max advantage during the race. I think you will see more and more teams doing single runs in Q3. Under the current rules qualifying is no longer as important as last year. Kudos to Pirelli, I think they have done an excellent job of  giving the FIA just what they asked for, when I am sure they could provide much better tires left on their own.

Lonny
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Wats-on on April 19, 2011, 03:48:53 PM
Zero's: me, for still not finding time to watch that race...  :'(
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Wats-on on April 19, 2011, 03:50:42 PM
Wizzo and I had fun in the chat room ALL BY OURSELVES (ok, Ian was there for the first bit).  Don't worry, we didn't spend the whole time talking about the rest of you...  :P :P

You were? I was logged into the chatroom for the whole post-race forum and there was nobody visible there!

I had to leave right after the checker flag...not sure if Wizzo stuck around.
Tnx for the invitation, btw, but the weekends are for my family. Still haven't seen the race, yesterday I finished watching qualy...
Shame on me!  >:(
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: John S on April 19, 2011, 07:42:05 PM
Tnx for the invitation, btw, but the weekends are for my family. Still haven't seen the race, yesterday I finished watching qualy...
Shame on me!  >:(

Make sure you have an uninterrupted viewing when you do sit down to watch the race Wats-on. It was a real humdinger and the action stretches from the start to the end with hardly a dull moment in the whole race, normally there is a least one flat period in a race but not this time  :swoon:   - enjoy!  :good:

Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: Wats-on on April 20, 2011, 08:36:26 AM
Tnx for the invitation, btw, but the weekends are for my family. Still haven't seen the race, yesterday I finished watching qualy...
Shame on me!  >:(

Make sure you have an uninterrupted viewing when you do sit down to watch the race Wats-on. It was a real humdinger and the action stretches from the start to the end with hardly a dull moment in the whole race, normally there is a least one flat period in a race but not this time  :swoon:   - enjoy!  :good:



Well, unfortunately I don\t have the time, so I have to see lap 27 twice - to get in the story again. I stopped at 27, so rewinded and start there again tomorrow morning.

I loved the fight between the STRs and between Alonso and Schumacher! Alonso uninspired this race? How? I think it was a good fight.

WTF was wrong with Heidfeld? He got himself nailed like a rookie every time again. That's not my Quick Nick...

Tormorow morning I'll finish the race...
Title: Re: Heroes and Zeroes for China
Post by: David on April 20, 2011, 07:58:38 PM
Hey Wats on you have to make time to watch every race man. I'm a family man too with two young kids and I would miss a second of quli or the race any given weekend. I gave up fishing instead.  ;)
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