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F1 News & Discussions => F1 Teams => Topic started by: Steve A. on August 28, 2015, 07:45:18 PM
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Renault almost fully back in F1, hope they make a good job of it and keep.it clean
http://m.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120532/renault-poised-to-complete-lotus-deal
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If they do succeed, Romain & Pastor will be able to get to the shunt much, much faster.
I wonder how long Lotus's engine contract with Mercedes is?
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I wonder how long Lotus's engine contract with Mercedes is?
Sounds like the engine deals end at the end of 2016
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I wonder how long Lotus's engine contract with Mercedes is?
Sounds like the engine deals end at the end of 2016
There are a few possiblities
1) What Renault buys is a grid slot and factory, not a legal entity. Lotus goes bankrupt, and contracts are void. This could be a mess, but I should think it's resolvable.
2) Renault and Red Bull trade engine contracts. Red Bull traded with STR in the past, so I don't see why that can't happen again.
I can't imagine Mercedes is interested in watching Renault beating Mercedes with Mercedes engines, but who knows?
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If the deal is done which it is looking more likely then I doubt Lotus Renault will be powered by Mercedes which at this moment in time is a backward step for Lotus.
It also has to be possible that Crashdonaldo will not be there as he is sponsored by a rival oil company to Renault and as I do not rate him not a loss for me.
You would assume that the financial input from Renault will put Lotus back in the black.
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I wonder how long Lotus's engine contract with Mercedes is?
Sounds like the engine deals end at the end of 2016
There are a few possiblities
1) What Renault buys is a grid slot and factory, not a legal entity. Lotus goes bankrupt, and contracts are void. This could be a mess, but I should think it's resolvable.
2) Renault and Red Bull trade engine contracts. Red Bull traded with STR in the past, so I don't see why that can't happen again.
I can't imagine Mercedes is interested in watching Renault beating Mercedes with Mercedes engines, but who knows?
1) is impossible. The validity of a grid slot is dependent on the underlying company going neither bankrupt nor attracting a declaration of insolvency (this is not the same as administration, which is a last-ditch attempt to keep a business solvent).
2), on the other hand, is intruiging and very possible.
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Seems the RBR part of the equation is done...they're finished with Renault at the end of 2015
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120696
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How about Red Bull Honda? :good:
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How about Red Bull Honda? :good:
It would certainly make them appreciate how much better they had it with Renault!
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Might even give Mclaren someone to beat.
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I do not think the Honda option is so daft as they will come good and I do not expect McLaren to in a similar position next year and could be worth the risk by RB. Mercedes have said they will not supply RB and no surprise there which just leaves Ferrari so I shall stick with Honda for RB for now.
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Trouble is McLaren hold all the cards over Honda's engine supply, can't see Ron handing the advantage of this painful development year over to Red Bull easily.
Ron will want the engine fully up to full power for at least a couple of years before he will allow any other front runner to even discuss terms for getting the Honda PU.
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Trouble is McLaren hold all the cards over Honda's engine supply, can't see Ron handing the advantage of this painful development year over to Red Bull easily.
Ron will want the engine fully up to full power for at least a couple of years before he will allow any other front runner to even discuss terms for getting the Honda PU.
I understand that John although with Mercedes already saying no will Ferrari want RB beating them with their own engine which is what stopped Merc letting teams that have the potential to beat them have their engines.
We are assuming that McLaren hold all the cards with Honda which is a strained relationship at the moment. Horner has also said that he is talking to everyone so that has to include Honda but only time will tell.
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How about a worst case scenario? Renault decides stuff it and withdraws, Lotus goes belly up, RB can't get engines and is out taking Toro Rosso with them. Haas comes in, but we still have only 16 cars on the grid.
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Whilst I can follow the logic of Renault not continuing Lonny I find it hard to accept that Lotus will go bust, in a pevious post I raised the issue of PDVSA withholding the $35m sponsorship payment until ownership was settled as they require a guarantee that Pastor's drive in 16 is safe. Now I'm sure that's certainly enough money to keep Lotus going - well until the end of 16 anyways.
Whist the main Red Bull team may jack it in I'm sure Bernie will try to ensure STR remains, either by heavy monetary sanctions on Mateschitz, and/or by getting different owners on board. Ferrari will have no problem supplying STR - they've done it before after all.
Oh and if Red Bull pull out Bernie can move to divert their points based payments to all the others next year.
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Bernie is far more likely to just keep the money for CVC than pass it around.
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Bernie is far more likely to just keep the money for CVC than pass it around.
That's my thought.
However, I'm sure the agreements are quite specific about what happens to 'unclaimed' money. If not Bernie, then I would expect Ferrari to get it. >:D
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Renault may be starting to play hardball themselves. If they walk, it will leave only two suppliers unless someone wants the Honda lumps based on faith.
It is so true that RBR barely mentioned them in the good years, and treats them like crap ever since. Good for Ghosn...I hope he rips a strip off Horner before they go. That, or I hope they put together a Ferrari beating engine for next year and wipe the floor with the RBR's. Sorry for RBR's drivers who seem caught up in all the politics and have no chance to show their stuff.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34269127
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Renault may be starting to play hardball themselves. If they walk, it will leave only two suppliers unless someone wants the Honda lumps based on faith.
It is so true that RBR barely mentioned them in the good years, and treats them like crap ever since. Good for Ghosn...I hope he rips a strip off Horner before they go. That, or I hope they put together a Ferrari beating engine for next year and wipe the floor with the RBR's. Sorry for RBR's drivers who seem caught up in all the politics and have no chance to show their stuff.
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/formula1/34269127
FIA bent over backwards to accommodate Mercedes.
I don't like how Renault is being treated, but they do have a history of leaving F1 holding the bag. I wouldn't want to say 'good riddance' to them for not dancing to the FIA's tune, but when has Renault ever stepped up when things got tough for them in F1?
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Yeah, Renault run and hide, not the most reliable on the grid. One or two seasons could see F1 crumble if the rot is not stopped. Renault leaving will only add the sports woes.
Mercedes and Ferrari are not enough for the sport. Honda supplies one team, so far with questionable power units, so I doubt next year they could make an impact. It's about time they worked together and sorted things out. Sorry rant over a 8)
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But I noticed something near the bottom of this article...
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/120856
Horner is still in some sort of discussions with Renault. They can't have a Merc, and Ferrari will only sell them past expiry date engines, so their only other option might be to return to the Renaults? Is Christian's tail between his legs? Interesting comment there, Christian.
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Yeah, Renault run and hide, not the most reliable on the grid. One or two seasons could see F1 crumble if the rot is not stopped. Renault leaving will only add the sports woes.
Mercedes and Ferrari are not enough for the sport. Honda supplies one team, so far with questionable power units, so I doubt next year they could make an impact. It's about time they worked together and sorted things out. Sorry rant over a 8)
In terms of providing engines to racers, in the Schumacher era Ferrari would use 30 engines per driver per season. Even with Sauber being conservative with their 'Petronas' engines, Ferrari built at least 100 F1 engines per season. In 2015 Ferrari has to built approximately forty to cover three teams.
There is capacity to build more engines in these factories.
As for F1 being a 'single engine' (plus Ferrari) series, they've survived through that in the past. The sport could survive with just Mercedes and Ferrari. The facilities could be easily scaled up to meet demand.
I want to see multiple suppliers, but I wouldn't expect suppliers to continue in the sport with two hands tied behind their backs.
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Renault come and go. There's nothing new in this. What is surprising is how much of a mess Red Bull has made in handling the whole situation. I agree that they never gave Renault much credit during the good times, and when things went wrong, it seemed that everything was Renault's fault.
Renault themselves really are rather capricious with their approach to sticking with Formula 1 though. I appreciate that they no longer want to supply Red Bull, but I really feel that they should commit to taking over Lotus if they are going to do so, and stop dragging their feet.
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To add more to the discussion, a possibility that VW is buying RBR.
http://m.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/34297046
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:yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo: That would be fantastic. Makes sense too. Red Bull stickers are all over the WRC VW's and Truck Class VW's in off-road rallying. Audi might be a better choice for F1, but you never know.
Wonder how Daniel will like driving the Red Bull Skoda? ;)
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I like the bit that says they are yet to decide which marque to use on the F1 team, if it all goes well then Audi will take it, however looking at Honda's less than happy first year maybe they'll use the Skoda brand until the development is ironed out. :D
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I can see the look on everyone's faces should a Soda take pole then the win, great headline, especially after all the skip jokes in the past.
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I like the bit that says they are yet to decide which marque to use on the F1 team, if it all goes well then Audi will take it, however looking at Honda's less than happy first year maybe they'll use the Skoda brand until the development is ironed out. :D
The only thing I know about Skoda is they always take the best seats at the hockey world championships every year.