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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: TimmyTime on March 18, 2019, 05:17:48 PM
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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/47608624
No he won't, he won't be allowed to. Proven in race 1 of the season >:D
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I think Ferrari are attempting to treat a burn by dabbing vinegar on it.
It will be interesting if both Bottas and LeClerc take the fight to their teammates in the races ahead!! (who will officially use the "team orders" song when it's time to sing???)
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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It will be highly managed control, as in, no less than a one second gap, preferably more than a second.
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I think there could be "team tampering" with LeClerc's fuel richness/party mode in the races ahead.... just in case more complaints come from Vettel. Maybe he had floor damage in Melbourne too? :D
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I personally think all this is a storm in a teacup. Sure Ferrari told Leclerc to stay behind Vettel, well he asked about passing him so why is everyone surprised when told to hold station.
Ferrari possibly knew he didn't have the means to catch Max, either because of fuel or the speed he was showing in catching up to Vettel so what was the point in swapping the cars.
On the point of failing to pit Charles to put on softest compound to chase the fastest lap there is the risk element, Leclerc had already been off once in his pursuit of Vettel, could they be sure he would not come to grief again trying to go fastest. Risk v reward calculation probably showed it's not worth it especially in his first race in anger in a Ferrari. Also did they have a decent set of softs left? :DntKnw:
Hell even Toto is now saying his boys at Merc (incl race engineers) disobeyed instructions, arrived at before the race, not to chase fastest lap. Risk v reward indicated that running anywhere from 1st to 3rd should not be put on the line just for a single extra point. Now they're experienced pilots in more familiar machines, sure Bottas nailed it …… but just suppose he binned it instead.
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I personally think all this is a storm in a teacup. Sure Ferrari told Leclerc to stay behind Vettel, well he asked about passing him so why is everyone surprised when told to hold station.
Ferrari possibly knew he didn't have the means to catch Max, either because of fuel or the speed he was showing in catching up to Vettel so what was the point in swapping the cars.
On the point of failing to pit Charles to put on softest compound to chase the fastest lap there is the risk element, Leclerc had already been off once in his pursuit of Vettel, could they be sure he would not come to grief again trying to go fastest. Risk v reward calculation probably showed it's not worth it especially in his first race in anger in a Ferrari. Also did they have a decent set of softs left? :DntKnw:
Hell even Toto is now saying his boys at Merc (incl race engineers) disobeyed instructions, arrived at before the race, not to chase fastest lap. Risk v reward indicated that running anywhere from 1st to 3rd should not be put on the line just for a single extra point. Now they're experienced pilots in more familiar machines, sure Bottas nailed it …… but just suppose he binned it instead.
Boo!
It's racing, why would anyone be stupid enough to go on record to say they DON'T want to be the fastest car?
I get strategy and all that, but... don't say it. It turns the sport into a joke.
I say more points for FL if the teams don't take it seriously!
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I say more points for FL if the teams don't take it seriously!
How about 25 points for the fastest lap? That would make for interesting racing, I think we're onto something here! ;-)
No point trundling around in 2nd place, when you could pit, put on "super ultra hyper softs" for the last two laps and get 25 pts. Of course everyone else would do the same, except for the leader!
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For an extra 25 pts even the leader would have to try for it Massart. ;)
Just a small point where they gonna get these "Super ultra hyper softs" from. :D
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One of each on each wheel, plus a hard just to mix things up!
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I say more points for FL if the teams don't take it seriously!
How about 25 points for the fastest lap? That would make for interesting racing, I think we're onto something here! ;-)
No point trundling around in 2nd place, when you could pit, put on "super ultra hyper softs" for the last two laps and get 25 pts. Of course everyone else would do the same, except for the leader!
A race within a race.
Plenty of other sports have multiple ways of scoring, why not F1?
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We already get a race inside a race Jeri, the Top 3 teams slugging it out then the best of the rest battle. ;)
Now with 3 DRS zones and a single FL point are you sure we could handle even more excitement :D
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Here is the thing ... this FL is all good and well, but do you see issues arising in the near future, especially as it's specifically designed for the top 10 finishers. I know finishes are obviously based on the top 10, but do you think someone who puts in a blinding lap (finishing 11th) will be a little peeved (especially if it's one of those ... "I was running 10th, then was passed during the final lap!".
Just like most of these principles in F1, I can see the rule being challenged, sooner, rather than later.
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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This is why my 25pts for FL is such a good idea ;)
You're running second, pitting will drop you down to 12th. Do you pit and go for 25 pts hoping you will at least finish 10th in order to get them, but lose a sure 18pts for 2nd? And if you pit, the guys running behind you might as well, but only one of you can get the 25pts and some midfielders will end up banking 18pts for 2nd.
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That's a lot of assumptions there massart, most of the time the top 6 have a pit stop in hand over the rest of the field after 3/4 distance. That's why my comment about the leader will be forced to stop as well.
I'd rather they remove the stupid top 10 rule for the FL point, then we might see all the runners from 11, but certainly 12, back in the pits late on sticking on softs to try and dash for the cash. :D
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I don't like the top 10 rule, either. Fastest lap should be just that, the fastest lap of the race.
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Should be the fastest lap posted by any car that finishes the race. It could be a real bonus to someone that gets punted by Verstapen in the early laps and then has to rejoin the race :D
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If they took the top 10 bit out of the rule, maybe you’d have mechanics spending the race fixing a car that should have DNF’d on a 1st lap mishap...drain almost all the fuel out of it, throw on sticky tires and send it out to run for that elusive point.
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I agree it should be open to all. I don't understand the reasoning of it being only for the top 10. That way the rich only get richer. It would be more interesting to see those in the lower mid field pop in for fresh tyres with two laps to go rather than following each other round the track with no chance of overtakes because their tyres are shod.
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As echoed above, I think the "top 10" rule may be revisited further into the season. I have no real issue with the FL bonus point itself, as it "could" add much needed interest to a processional race.
The current rule could (as it often does in F1) encourage dirty tactics!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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If they took the top 10 bit out of the rule, maybe you’d have mechanics spending the race fixing a car that should have DNF’d on a 1st lap mishap...drain almost all the fuel out of it, throw on sticky tires and send it out to run for that elusive point.
That was my initial thought.
Maybe require that the car complete, say, 90% of laps?
We HAVE seen teams send drivers out a few laps down after a lengthy repair, sometimes in the hope for carnage ahead, sometimes as an extra 'testing' session.
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I am almost inclined to think that if a group of engineers are able to fix a car like that and get it back out before the end of the race and then get the fastest lap, both the engineers and the driver deserve the credit for it! It'll play havoc with the GG DNF picks though!
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I think the "top 10" rule is to make it consistent with Formula E, where spectacular amounts of gaming the system (half of which aren't even possible in F1) resulted in popular demand to restrict who gets the fastest lap point.
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Gaming the system might bring a pulse back to the garage and the races when we get to see them tape a car back together to send it out for the FL point. I don’t like that only top 10’s qualify. Let the racers baby their car across the finish line at 5sec over Q times, while the back half of the field can fight for lowest lap time
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Gaming the system might bring a pulse back I to the garage and the races when we get to see them tape a car back together to send it out for the FL point. I don’t like that only top 10’s qualify. Let the racers baby their car across the finish line at 5sec over Q times, while the back half of the field can fight for lowest lap time
Just bringing this up for discussion, I'm not 'for', nor 'against' this possibility:
The lead cars are battered from a hard fight, they're limping home half a second apart. They suddenly find themselves running offline as a 'backmarker' 20 laps down comes zipping through, and claiming the racing line.