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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Dare on July 02, 2018, 12:32:34 AM
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Kimi - for a great run
Ferrari- for not making Kimi move over
Haas- for good positions even if it was the fault of cars breaking down
Zeros
Max- no reason other than I don't like him
Mercedes- for keeping Lewis out even though in the end it didn't matter
think of more later
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Heroes:
Max- I don't like him, but it was one of his most mature, sensible drives to date.
Kimi- Ferrari let him drive and he paid them back for it.
Grosjean- For getting some good fortune.
Alonso- For somehow getting a point
Zeroes:
Williams- For going backwards and letting one of it's drivers get a penalty
Mercedes- For Honda like reliability :tease:
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Kimi - for a great run
Bottas - (zero for the initial start, but) Hero for getting back to second. Wow, does that guy deserve some luck?
Both Haas drivers - genuinely fast and with some luck drove sensibly into good points positions
Zeros
Max- still thinking 'bumper car' style driving is acceptable (and I don't like him). He should watch the Bottas, Hamilton, Kimi start - side by side with only millimetres to spare but still no contact!!
Mercedes- for keeping Lewis out; did Lewis switching on 'party mode' in an attempt to catch the others result in the failure??
Williams - just because! They have a great engine. How can they be so slow everywhere??
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Mine will be brief because I could only watch the first part of the race.
Heroes:
Haas - P4 & P5 :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
Zeroes:
Mercedes - Double DNF
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Turns out Max was not only battling blistered tires, but R/B turned the power down on his engine after Daniel DNF'd to prevent another failure. When Kimi started closing in on Max near the finish, they turned it back up to hold Kimi off.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-engine-turned-down-after-ricciardo-failure-1054513/ (https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/verstappen-engine-turned-down-after-ricciardo-failure-1054513/)
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Regarding Max,has any driver ever been so disliked
in the history of F1. Will Rogers never met Max
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Regarding Max,has any driver ever been so disliked
in the history of F1. Will Rogers never met Max
If I am being honest here, I can't truly understand why everyone has such a venomous hate on for Max? ... No, I am no particular fan, nor am I a 'Max Hater' and although we all know he has said/done a few things in the past, he is still young and still learning, regardless of the fact that he has been around a few seasons now.
Should I sit down and have a long think about it, I am sure I would dig up a driver or two from the past who was less than loved by most F1 fans at the time. Off the cuff, Schumy and Vettel had their moments of "anti fans" back in the day!! (nothing to do with their obvious talent, as we are simply taking "like/dislike" here).
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I don't know about F1 (Actually, Senna was disliked by many until he died), but Kyle Busch was roundly booed by 50K or so NASCAR fans Sunday after a bump pass for a win in Chicago.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgQffp9l5w (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uDgQffp9l5w)
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I was talking F1 Lonny. I never cared much for Senna but
I respected him and same for Shumi. Max no respect at all.
I can't hold his young age a reason for his crappy I do what I
want attitude.
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Is everyone forgetting when Vettel 'couldn't be told' and Horner pretty much couldn't control his actions on track (Multi 21 being "one" of the most memorable) ... and I believe he was more mature (in age) than Max at that point in his career?
Ironically, I don't mind Seb these days (although he occasionally BLEEPS UP!!!!) .... but back in 2011/12, he was a spoiled little brat and in a lot of ways, worse than I see Max conduct himself overall.
Am I wearing blinkers, or is that a fair comparison?
I won't even bring up Mr Schumy, Adelaide, 1994!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Re. Max; it is all about consistency for me. He whines if anyone touches him, gets too close to him, in any way gets in his way but he thinks it is perfectly OK for him to bump people out of the way, weave all over the track if someone is trying to pass him, run cars out wide during a perfectly reasonable overtake, etc.
Also he has never shown any 'gratitude' for getting the RBR seat. Yes he was good in the lower ranks but there were better. He got the seat because his Millionaire Dad 'chatted-up' Marko.
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Re. Max; it is all about consistency for me. He whines if anyone touches him, gets too close to him, in any way gets in his way but he thinks it is perfectly OK for him to bump people out of the way, weave all over the track if someone is trying to pass him, run cars out wide during a perfectly reasonable overtake, etc.
Also he has never shown any 'gratitude' for getting the RBR seat. Yes he was good in the lower ranks but there were better. He got the seat because his Millionaire Dad 'chatted-up' Marko.
Exactly
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Is everyone forgetting when Vettel 'couldn't be told' and Horner pretty much couldn't control his actions on track (Multi 21 being "one" of the most memorable) ... and I believe he was more mature (in age) than Max at that point in his career?
Ironically, I don't mind Seb these days (although he occasionally BLEEPS UP!!!!) .... but back in 2011/12, he was a spoiled little brat and in a lot of ways, worse than I see Max conduct himself overall.
Am I wearing blinkers, or is that a fair comparison?
I won't even bring up Mr Schumy, Adelaide, 1994!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
totally agree Cal....i've also warmed to Vettel too.
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I'm no fan of Max, but he has shown signs of mellowing a bit this season.
I grant that he is very, very unpopular, but no more than others I can think of were in their time. Juan Pablo Montoya comes to mind. Nikki Lauda and Jacques Villeneuve have done a fine job of remaining highly disliked long after their driving days ended.
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I don't know that Mercedes qualifies for a 'zero' leaving Hamilton out. Had they brought Hamilton in, it would have allowed RBR/Ferrari to split their strategies and force Lewis to run in traffic, leading to a third place finish.
It is easy to say it was the wrong call, but I don't know that bringing him in on the VSC would have been any better (DNF obviously not withstanding).
I'm glad that teams don't feel the need to play it safe and are willing to make gambles.
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I agree. They took an understandable chance & it just didn't work out. That's racing.
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I don't know, I've heard an awful lot of chief mechanics over the years say that you never pass up a chance at fresh tires.
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Vettel still can't be told. He's just more low-key about it these days, but it still costs him.
Heroes and Zeroes:
Haas - this is what they came for! There was no way that Haas could have bettered their result. Grosjean maximised his great qualifying position, Magnussen was persistent and everybody kept things reliable. Well done :)
Verstappen - it's not often I have Max in the better part of the table, but today is such a day. When I tell the most extreme anti-Verstappen crowd that he just might be salvageable, this is the sort of race I use as evidence. Granted, he had little chance to practise race-protection moves, but when he drove as fast as he did, the other tools in his armoury were quite sufficient, thank you very much.
Mark Voewels - yes, he got the strategy call wrong. As it transpired, it might have been salvageable had it not been for the car starting to fail on Lewis (some days I think that machine is emphathic and fighting impending car failure probably got Lewis' tyres toasted prematurely), because most soft tyres wilted under pressure from challengers. What gets him into this list is not hypothetical, however - it's the frank and heartfelt apology over the radio. It's rare to hear anyone apologising meaningfully for anything in the moment nowadays, especially from the pitwall. For someone who doesn't even normally get a microphone to do so is heartening. In a sport full of computers, someone gave us a very human monent - and hope that Mercedes will sort out their over-reliance on algorithms for strategy.
Honourable mentions:
Alonso for scrambling into points (multiple) despite being well away from the scoring table as late as lap 53.
The Twitter chief at Mercedes-Benz for handling the torrent of post-race abuse with aplomb, openness and good solid ethics.
Zeroes:
The people who inexplicably thought Mercedes' PR chief personally administered Hamilton's strategy, and called the chief every name under the sun: There are 1300 people at Mercedes. The person actually to blame apologised over the radio and probably would have deployed the logical Plan B had Lewis' car been capable of it. The team doesn't have a TARDIS to reverse that call and the FIA would ban it if they possessed one. Heaping personal abuse is already bad, doing so to the wrong person is worse, but doing it after the actual responsible person did what little was possible about it really shows the worst of F1 fandom :nono:
Hamilton: Mercedes got the message the first time. No need to be holding a grudge against them half an hour later on the same thing. Especially glaring when one would have thought the fact the car was falling over would be a more pressing source of ire.
Whoever thought it was a good idea to put a cheap CGI star over the track: If you're going to do it, at least make it look vaguely realistic. The 1980s called, they want their failed special effect back.
Dishonourable zeroes:
Sainz's car. It sounds like it had every non-race-ending problem under the sun.
Hartley's engine. You were new and meant to last 6 races, and your driver's fighting for his career...
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Max's bump on Kimi is enough to make him a zero....this
isn't stockcars
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Max's bump on Kimi is enough to make him a zero....this
isn't stockcars
... I always love watching this clip of Days of Thunder!!!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xWAnRj9e4VA
Robert Duvall >"Cole! ... you are wandering all over the track!"
Tom Cruise > "Yeah, well, the son of a bitch just slammed into me!!"
Robert Duvall > "No, he didn't slam into you, he didn't bump you, he didn't nudge you .... he Rubbed You!!! .. and rubbin' son, is racin'"
Classic!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)