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Title: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: cosworth151 on March 17, 2015, 11:30:11 AM
Drinks maker red Bull it threatening to leave F1 if Renault can't tweak their under performing engine.

"They're using last year's wings," marveled Christian Horner. "Our new chassis is half a second better than the last year.
 
"The difference is the engine," he insisted.

Maybe they'd like a NASCAR/TUSC style Balance Of Performance.

http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/red-bull-threatens-leave-formula-one
Title: Re: Red Buyll Theatens to Quit
Post by: Irisado on March 17, 2015, 01:13:36 PM
So, they threaten to quit when they're not winning?  That's really rather immature.  Lots of top teams go through cycles of not winning, and have to find a way to bounce back to the front.  Red Bull needs to think about that before making rather daft comments about quitting.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: J.Clark on March 17, 2015, 01:36:42 PM
Seems to me they are tossing the binky out of the pram, like a 2-year-old who isn't getting to watch the TV program he/she wants.

Sauber turned it around with no where near the budget of RBR.

No body made them stick it out with Renault, which seems to be at the heart of the problem.

McLaren isn't whining over their woes . . .
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 17, 2015, 02:19:55 PM
They're threatening to quit because they think they've been saddled with a useless engine for the next 6 years - something Christian knows the board won't tolerate. It's less a question of whether Christian will make the team quit and more "the board is asking questions I can't answer".
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on March 17, 2015, 03:34:33 PM
Dieter has walked away from other sports, including shutting down the Red Bull NASCAR team when it wasn't winning.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Ian on March 17, 2015, 05:10:54 PM
Didn't hear Horner whinging when Vettel was winning year after year.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Jericoke on March 17, 2015, 06:03:57 PM
Red Bull expects a return on investment.

Being a scrappy F1 team is good for business

Being a championship f1 team is good for business

Being a winning F1 team is good for business

Being a washed up F1 team isn't.

It's up to them to reframe the team as something else until they can get back into one of the first 3 categories.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: F1fanaticBD on March 17, 2015, 06:16:07 PM
Actually the Red Bull is asking Mercedes to stop treating the drivers equally and pick a driver with Mark Webber effects. I think that is the definition of their equalization.

What a pathetic sore loser if the above statement not true, because when they were winning 13 races with one driver in a season, 4 straight doubles, didn't the other teams felt the same, but instead of making such pathetic comments, they kept of fighting.

If Red Bull think they will always the winner, its best for the both parties that they leave the sports.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Scott on March 17, 2015, 08:45:26 PM
The engine regulations are a problem, a big problem.  If a team has a dog of a car, they can spend whatever they have to fix that problem.  The engine, no chance.  You blew the design, you are stuck with the crappola engine, and that's life. 

You think because Coke brought out 'New Coke' that they should be forced to keep it for 5 years before they have any chance of correcting it?  No, of course not, they should be able to bring out Coke Classic in a matter of weeks and not lose their shirt.  Such a ridiculous business practice would ruin a company, and Red Bull and Lotus are looking at serious issues if they are forced to run a dog engine for 5 years.

Before the stupid Turbo, teams could develop their engines to bring them up to snuff.  Some could afford to, and knew how to, others didn't.  The dominance of RBR was mostly due to Newey, not an FIA regulation.  Even if Newey made a mistake, he could change it right away during testing or during the first couple of races.  No chance with the engines.

I don't think RBR should leave the sport over it, but I think FOM/FIA and the teams need to sort out a way to make the engines competitive. 
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Dare on March 17, 2015, 10:07:00 PM
Didn't hear Horner whinging when Vettel was winning year after year.


My thoughts too Ian and I agree that just because you
have a bad engine you shouldn't be stuck with it....
In the real world let's say you get a bad wife,now should
you be forced to stick with her?Should be the same with
a bad engine ;)
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Ian on March 17, 2015, 10:09:13 PM
Can't comment on that Dare, sometimes someone is looking over my shoulder.  ::)
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Dare on March 18, 2015, 12:35:47 AM
Can't comment on that Dare, sometimes someone is looking over my shoulder.  ::)

Now you know I wasn't counting your sweet little lady
in my comments Ian ;)
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2015, 07:28:26 AM
'Sweet ?'  :DD  :DD  :DD
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: John S on March 18, 2015, 10:10:53 AM
Don't know about wives Dare, but Red Bull are free to divorce Renault anytime. ;)

I'm sure Cosworth could cobble together a power unit that runs as good as the Honda does at the moment.  :DD

Just as a point of order Red Bull are not saying lets divorce they're asking for a boob job and a massive nip and tuck.......... good luck in selling that to a the wife.  :D
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: cosworth151 on March 18, 2015, 11:27:11 AM
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In the real world let's say you get a bad wife,now should
you be forced to stick with her?

Absolutely not! Send her home to her husband at once!

I thought Cosworth said it wasn't interested in V6 turbos.
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: F1fanaticBD on March 18, 2015, 03:26:37 PM

Just as a point of order Red Bull are not saying lets divorce they're asking for a boob job and a massive nip and tuck.......... good luck in selling that to a the wife.  :D

 :DD :DD :DD :DD
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Ian on March 18, 2015, 04:33:05 PM
Now Ecclestone is saying Mercedes need to be slowed down.  >:D
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Scott on March 18, 2015, 04:37:04 PM
So he's taken Dieter's call then... ;)
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: John S on March 18, 2015, 11:07:43 PM
Looking into Red Bull & Renault's exploding engine problems throws up some peculiar and tricky regulation issues which may be the reason for their very public tough stance.

It appears that you can't use development tokens on any power unit/engine that you have put race mileage on.  :swoon:  So with an engine down for Ricciardo before the race he had to run a 2nd in the race, so that's two engines out of the four gone as far as upgrading is concerned.

Now if another of the RBR top gun's units fail before Renault are ready to use the tokens for upgrades he'll be down to one better spec engine for the rest of the season before grid drops apply. Meanwhile other engine makes will be free to put unused token upgrades onto a max of 3 power units per car.

This, amongst other things, is what's infuriating Red Bull I think, but I'll let Andy Urlings of f1technical.net explain more fully.

http://www.f1technical.net/news/19976   
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Scott on April 02, 2015, 05:27:17 PM
Whoops, does Newey have his foot in his mouth?  Marko is now admitting that RBR's woes are not only down to the engine power...seems their chassis is not behaving like a WDC chassis should  ;) ;)

http://thisisf1.com/2015/04/02/rb11-chassis-issues-deeper-than-renault-engine-red-bull/
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: John S on April 02, 2015, 09:24:34 PM
This just confirms to me that Renault and Cyril in particular has Horner, Marko and Newey on the run with such furious back pedalling from them, see my post in the thread 'Might STR go yellow'.

Don't quite get Mateschitz thinking though if he's considering selling STR to Renault.  :confused:  He must know the other engine makers won't supply him so is he considering pulling the plug on F1,  :swoon:  or has he got VW/Audi or someone else in the wings for a year or two's time?  :DntKnw:

 
Title: Re: Red Bull Theatens to Quit
Post by: Alianora La Canta on April 03, 2015, 09:46:34 PM
I could see Red Bull pulling out suddenly - they do have a reputation for that elsewhere - but the exit penalty rule means they'll have buyers lined up first. Renault to buy Toro Rosso after a trial run with "increased presence", I guess, and then whoever's available to buy Red Bull itself.

Unless F1 income goes below £750 m/year (possible) in which case Red Bull takes a golden parachute, doesn't have to pay any penalties, and can just leave. (If so, Ferrari and Mercedes may leave at the same time...)
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