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General F1 Discussion / Re: Vettel dq'ed
« Last post by Andy B on August 03, 2021, 10:24:04 PM »
Andy, Aston Martin let the FIA impound the car. That would be pretty indicative that the appeal is serious, because getting the car back to the factory is more important than launching an appeal if the appeal is specious.

They did Ali and it could only happen with the three week break the car would have spent two weeks sitting in the factory anyway. Time will tell if it's serious this gives them breathing space to assess their options if they had not done so it was case closed.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by Alianora La Canta on August 03, 2021, 08:08:55 PM »
A couple to add to those already listed here:

Heroes:

Mick Schumacher - Ended up in P10 after the first lap follies. He did an excellent job of holding some much better cars behind him for quite a while. And doing it cleanly, too. He reminded me of one of my favorite drivers, Jarno Trulli. I can't wait to see him in a competitive car.

I'm sorry to say that Mick is either 12th or 13th, depending on how Aston Martin's appeal goes. The only car he finished ahead of in the end was Antonio Giovanazzi, the inevitable result of his Haas being so slow.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by Jericoke on August 03, 2021, 04:40:15 PM »
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I hate throw Ricciardo under the proverbial bus, but watching Alonso defend against Hamilton while Ricciardo defend against Verstappen, you see why Alonso is a two time champion, and why Ricciardo is going to finish his career as an also ran
Jeri; I have to leap to Ricciardo's defence - his car was wrecked. There were lots of comments about how well Verstappen did with a damaged car but I understand that Ricciardo's was almost as bad.
 

Don't get me wrong, Ricciardo drove brilliantly.  Just when you compared him with Alonso, skill for skill they were equals, but Alonso had more 'racecraft'.  He was planning things out laps ahead, knowing exactly what Hamilton would do, whereas Ricciardo was reacting to Max.

Maybe Alonso has the advantage of a long history with Hamilton, while Ricciardo only has a little experience with Max head to head.  Maybe Ricciardo just didn't trust his damaged car.

I just felt like it was a clear difference between a great racer and a champion.

(To that effect, Hamilton's attack on Alonso was every bit a champion's attack.  His moves were as planned out as Alonso's, and Max was just trying to pass corner over corner.  Similarly, I think Vettel also had a great drive against Ocon, which is why I feel Ocon earned that win)
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by cosworth151 on August 03, 2021, 01:33:11 PM »
A couple to add to those already listed here:

Heroes:

Mick Schumacher - Ended up in P10 after the first lap follies. He did an excellent job of holding some much better cars behind him for quite a while. And doing it cleanly, too. He reminded me of one of my favorite drivers, Jarno Trulli. I can't wait to see him in a competitive car.

Zeroes:

The FIA - Once again, fans woke up Monday morning to find the results scrambled. If I'm reading thing correctly, Vettel is basically getting dinged because of the failure of an FIA provided pump. That's pretty ridiculous even for the Fool In Authority.

One more thought - Maybe the FIA could tell RBR that they'll just deduct the amount of the damage done to the Bulls the past two weeks from the amount that RBR still owes for the damage Max has caused other teams over the past few years.  ;)
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by Alianora La Canta on August 03, 2021, 12:45:07 PM »
Heroes and Zeroes

Heroes

Ocon - Stellar defence of victory.

Alonso - It may not have saved Fernando's position, but his defence against Hamilton, whose car was much faster in the areas of the track where overtaking is feasible, was extremely impressive (and clean).

Williams - Sweet points at last. Well done for taking the opportunity on offer.

Zeroes

The FIA - Firstly, the FIA reprimanded 4 drivers (Sainz, Bottas and both Aston Martin drivers) for wearing "We Race As One" shirts during the national anthem, even though the FIA continues to refuse to cue the transition between the "minute" of solidarity and the anthem correctly and even though Article 1 specifies that the FIA will not engage with politics (meaning that either the T-shirts are permitted at all times during the weekend or none - you can't change the political charging of an item of apparel according to the point of the weekend in which it is worn, short of modifying the item itself). Particularly impressive in the case of Vettel, who at no point wore a "We Race As One" T-shirt this weekend (I know he was wearing a T-shirt during the anthem, but it was rather famously not that one.) That's right, he got a non-appealable penalty (reprimand) for "wearing" a T-shirt he never donned!

The FIA also refused to give a penalty in FP3 for collision in the pit lane to Antonio Giovanazzi or Alfa Romeo, only the standard "unsafe release" penalty of a fine. This despite other pitlane collisions involving unsafe releases resulting in a grid penalty, and an actual penalty having meant to be the standard since the summer break of 2019. (Unsafe releases that don't result in a collision, and aren't in the race, are supposed to be handled with fines).

Just to make it worse, from what I heard described, they did not comply with procedure regarding Vettel's fuel sample (requiring a broken pump be used, which of course did not work correctly). Because of this, and due to the rule breach concerning classification (a lodged appeal means the original position has to be and remain restored until the appeal is settled), I am convinced the FIA is in the wrong, knows it, and is thus engaging in gamesmanship for some reason. (I hesitate to specify why the FIA might have chosen to play games, but I detect a pattern here...)

The FIA's conduct, which broke its own regulations in several places, has encouraged various Hungarian politicians to make complete fools of themselves, and has turned a simple statement of support for oppressed people (which the FIA allegedly supports, and is compatible with Article 1) into the very politicial fuss the FIA is required by law to avoid.

Bottas - Your car is not a bowling ball. (I realise I'm paraphrasing the one driver taken out by somebody else...)

Alfa Romeo - For releasing cars into the paths of competitors. Twice. Please learn from your mistakes. I'm not supposed to feel sorry for Nikita Mazepin (who I wish to note had a perfectly competent weekend - unusual for him, but credit where it's due).
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Vettel dq'ed
« Last post by Alianora La Canta on August 03, 2021, 12:26:16 PM »
Andy, Aston Martin let the FIA impound the car. That would be pretty indicative that the appeal is serious, because getting the car back to the factory is more important than launching an appeal if the appeal is specious.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by Alianora La Canta on August 03, 2021, 11:44:14 AM »

So, why is the Mercedes pit at the entry, not at the exit?

Teams choose their pit boxes at the start of the weekend, championship winner first.

So Mercedes is indeed responsible for this error.

To my understanding a team's position in the pit lane is determined by where they finished in the championship the previous year. The defending champions have their pit boxes at one end of the pit lane (which end varies from race to race), and then it goes along in championship order until the team that finished last the previous year have their pit boxes at the opposite end of the pit lane.

FIA Sporting Regulation 28 PIT ENTRY, PIT LANE AND PIT EXIT - article 28.5 states: - The FIA will allocate garages and an area in the pit lane on a strictly equal basis where each Competitor may work and, within each of these designated garage areas, one position where pit stops during both practice and the race may be carried out.

It took me ages to find that there maybe more somewhere but I was loosing the will to live!

There's supposed to be no material difference between the pit garages (as in, same amount of garage space for everyone, same amount of allocated outside pit area for everyone and same amount of pit perch for everyone). However, it's impossible to give equal position to every team because otherwise they'd be pitting on top of each other, which is where the championship order comes in. Of course, the FIA in its sole discretion can change the system at any time.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Heroes and Zeros - Hungary
« Last post by monty on August 03, 2021, 09:02:44 AM »
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I hate throw Ricciardo under the proverbial bus, but watching Alonso defend against Hamilton while Ricciardo defend against Verstappen, you see why Alonso is a two time champion, and why Ricciardo is going to finish his career as an also ran
Jeri; I have to leap to Ricciardo's defence - his car was wrecked. There were lots of comments about how well Verstappen did with a damaged car but I understand that Ricciardo's was almost as bad.
 
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Alfa Romeo - any time Mazepin DNF's and it's YOUR fault, you've really f'd up.

 :DD :DD :DD :good:
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General F1 Discussion / Some more of the same from RBR's CH
« Last post by Andy B on August 02, 2021, 11:36:31 PM »
I'm unsure what CH is trying to do although it is certainly not win friends as he is now moaning that it should be Mercedes paying their repair bill.
I used to quite like his approach but not of late so maybe he has been given a hurry up or he'll be dropped to Alpha Tauri!  ;)

https://www.planetf1.com/news/christian-horner-valtteri-bottas-spa-penalty/
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Vettel dq'ed
« Last post by Andy B on August 02, 2021, 11:27:21 PM »
The procedure for the result of the race has been in error in that once disqualified the driver is removed from the result until an appeal is heard if that driver/team appeal. In this case SV was mistakenly reinstated pending an appeal which was incorrect so LH is now P2 and Sainz takes P3.
Although Aston have registered the right to appeal it is unsure if they will as they believe there was 1.44 litres left in the tank but were only able to extract 0.3 of the required 1 litre hence disqualification.

https://www.planetf1.com/news/lewis-hamilton-hungarian-gp-p2/

Here's a better explanation.
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/aston-martin-vettel-hungarian-gp-fuel-analysis/6641069/
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