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Title: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 08, 2010, 04:39:34 PM
It's not a big secret I'm not a fan of a steering wheel full (literally) of buttons and dials which really can't be a good thing taking someones mind off the road at 190mph.
But for this Q session this morning I couldn't believe what's going on in the Ferrari cockpit. Are you kidding me? Pressing one's left hand against the cockpit to block the airflow over the whatchamacallit and adjusting the brake bias with the other going into a corner? I dunno if I have more respect for the drivers ability to focus or if I should be waiting for the inevitable huge accident.
Bad enough that the drivers lose one hand to adjust the bias for quite a few corners as they approach them but now the other hand barely has but fingertips on the wheel?
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Jericoke on May 08, 2010, 04:56:43 PM
I love the idea of technical innovation in F1, and often technical innovation means buttons and switches.

However, I agree:  let the drivers focus on driving the car, rather than programming it.  Put a limit on the in cockpit controls.  Or make the steering wheel standard at least.
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: David on May 08, 2010, 05:35:34 PM
One hand off the wheel is enough at any time. I have to agree the Ferrari system does seem flawed.  :(

Maybe they should call it the 'Holy...F-duct'
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Scott on May 08, 2010, 05:50:40 PM
I love the idea of technical innovation in F1, and often technical innovation means buttons and switches.

However, I agree:  let the drivers focus on driving the car, rather than programming it.  Put a limit on the in cockpit controls.  Or make the steering wheel standard at least.

They could easily eliminate the driver controls by putting two way telemetry back in and let the teams make the adjustments from the pit wall.  High tech solution.  As long as the teams don't use it to make 'quiet' team orders...
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: markb on May 08, 2010, 06:44:54 PM
The worrying thing is that Domenicali ( I think that's how his name is spelt), thought it's not an issue at all, that at times during today's qualy, Alonso had both hands off the steering wheel, and concluded the interview by stating that it's early days, and they will be reviewing their f-duct development after Spain....too right they need to review it, they need to do something pretty drastic asap!!!
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Williamsfan on May 08, 2010, 09:27:16 PM
This could prove to be a disaster after 40 odd laps round some of the more gruelling circuits.  So many things to concentrate on as it is, without removing your hands so often from the wheel.  Ferrari have to sort it.
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: John S on May 08, 2010, 10:10:36 PM

Calm down guys n' gals with the level the level of driving sophistication required in an F1 cockpit they should have no trouble handling it.  I agree it looks terrible and it is a PR blunder for the sport because ordinary drivers couldn't possibly cope with what is going on, but it is not dangerous for the F1 boys. However the FIA has got to crack down on it fast before they get swamped by road safety do gooders, and then politicians get drawn in. :crazy:
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: markb on May 09, 2010, 09:59:29 AM

Calm down guys n' gals with the level the level of driving sophistication required in an F1 cockpit they should have no trouble handling it.  I agree it looks terrible and it is a PR blunder for the sport because ordinary drivers couldn't possibly cope with what is going on, but it is not dangerous for the F1 boys. However the FIA has got to crack down on it fast before they get swamped by road safety do gooders, and then politicians get drawn in. :crazy:

When one considers Ferrari's huge budget, one hardly expects a driver to have to take both hands off the steering wheel to control their new F-duct, in all honesty John, we are perfectly calm, and merely expressing our thoughts. :good:
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: John S on May 09, 2010, 11:53:15 AM

Sorry didn't mean to offend anyone, I was trying to make the point that the F1 drivers are well capable of dealing with it but the road safety lobby will use it as a big stick if it's not stopped tout d'suite. 
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: cosworth151 on May 09, 2010, 12:51:23 PM
Nothing new in this. I've seen pictures from the 50's where drivers had one hand on the shifter and the other holding a cigar!  ;)

One of my favorite bits of film is Fangio in a Maserati 250. He's driving along at speed and calmly reaches up with both hands to adjust his goggles!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOKu4Xz2Pyg (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SOKu4Xz2Pyg)
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 09, 2010, 05:16:16 PM
Hard to not cringe slightly when watching these iconic drivers do their thing. Gadzooks, no seat belt (didn't look like it to me anyways), no roll bars, no personal protection to speak of (other than the goggles and helmet) and fer gosh sakes, DON'T HIT THOSE CURBS!  :o

Thanks Cos.
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 09, 2010, 08:22:56 PM
Today's drivers are rather spoiled. I am all in favor of raising the curbs to prevent cutting them, harder tires for less grip, and more power/less aero. Part throttle used to be important, how much power can you use? Now it's just on or off the gas, bang. Let's find out who can drive.

Lonny
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Dare on May 10, 2010, 02:13:38 AM
Hard to not cringe slightly when watching these iconic drivers do their thing. Gadzooks, no seat belt (didn't look like it to me anyways), no roll bars, no personal protection to speak of (other than the goggles and helmet) and fer gosh sakes, DON'T HIT THOSE CURBS!  :o

Thanks Cos.

Back in the old days driving those fire hazzards it was
safer to be thrown from the car than being burnt alive or so
I've read
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: cosworth151 on May 10, 2010, 12:22:35 PM
Quite true, Dare. Seat belts & harnesses didn't arrive in F1 until about 1970.
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Wizzo on May 10, 2010, 01:36:11 PM
There was an interesting interview with the great Stirling Moss regarding this very subject. He virtually brushed it aside saying he didn't think it was a problem for drivers as he spent most of his time waving at the 'crumpet' during his races.  :good:

They then showed a vintage clip of him driving around the chicane at Monaco, one hand in the air, waving to 'a bit of totty' who he distinctly remembered had pink lipstick on.

I quote 'that's what it was all about'  :DD
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on May 10, 2010, 06:37:38 PM
There was an interesting interview with the great Stirling Moss regarding this very subject. He virtually brushed it aside saying he didn't think it was a problem for drivers as he spent most of his time waving at the 'crumpet' during his races.  :good:

They then showed a vintage clip of him driving around the chicane at Monaco, one hand in the air, waving to 'a bit of totty' who he distinctly remembered had pink lipstick on.

I quote 'that's what it was all about'  :DD

HAHAHAHAHAHA!!!! I'd love to see that! This is why I miss Kimi so....that dude loved to party but he took a lot of crap for it. Perhaps the only modern-day driver to not bother walking back to the pits at Monaco after retiring from the race and instead going straight to his yacht to get hammered.  :good:
Title: Re: OK, I think we've crossed some kind of line.
Post by: Ian on May 10, 2010, 10:01:12 PM
The full interview with Sir Stirling is on before the start of Monaco next week.
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