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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Calman on May 02, 2018, 05:45:22 PM
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I would love to hear your thoughts on this latest announcement (well, it's been no real secret in all honesty!!).
https://www.thecheckeredflag.co.uk/2018/05/f1-announces-miami-grand-prix-proposal-set-for-2019-season/
Surely it will anger people to see yet another "penciled in" US based GP, in a similar fashion to what they were trying to achieve a few years ago (under Bernie's reign). Also, the rumour that this "could" replace the Azerbaijan GP, how INSANE!! is that?? ... A GP which gives us 80% more action on the track, that any other race on the Calendar.
I worry!
All the best,
Cal :)
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Personally I'm in favour of Miami hosting but NOT at the expense of Baku. Take Sochi off....there's not been a good race there yet!
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Personally I'm in favour of Miami hosting but NOT at the expense of Baku. Take Sochi off....there's not been a good race there yet!
Nice idea however I bet they have a watertight contract for a good few years, and are fully paid up on race hosting fees - unlike many other circuits, including Silverstone.
Be good to have a race in the Florida sunshine but it sounds like someone is spinning the story a bit on the Baku replacement part.
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Just had a great GP in Baku and they're talking about dropping it, plonkers.
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Yet another no action, pretty building parade! :sick:
Yo, Liberty, we fans don't give a fat rat's backside about the buildings in the background. It's all about the racing. Since you all seem to have almost no knowledge of racing, let me give you a tip. There is a great circuit a little north west of Miami, which hosted one of the greatest F1 races of all time. It's called Sebring.
Oh, and by the way - that whole "Miami Vice cool" thing ended about 30 years ago.
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Oh, and by the way - that whole "Miami Vice cool" thing ended about 30 years ago.
Maybe they will name a couple of corners "Crockett and Tubbs" |-( |-(
So, if this becomes a reality, will countries like Australia and Canada have a case for a 2nd race venue, or will Mr Liberty suggest that the only reason the US gets a second venue, is down to money and "the show" which they can put on ... on home ground???
Maybe Mr E should have pushed for Silverstone and Brands Hatch/Donington while he was at the controls?
All the best,
Cal :)
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Yet another no action, pretty building parade! :sick:
Yo, Liberty, we fans don't give a fat rat's backside about the buildings in the background. It's all about the racing. Since you all seem to have almost no knowledge of racing, let me give you a tip. There is a great circuit a little north west of Miami, which hosted one of the greatest F1 races of all time. It's called Sebring.
Oh, and by the way - that whole "Miami Vice cool" thing ended about 30 years ago.
If putting on a good show was all that mattered, then IndyCar would be doing much better than they are. It's not enough to put on a good show, you have to bring the show to the people. Once F1 gains a larger profile in the USA, THEN they can start moving to the tracks where they belong.
And given Baku is a great street race, I wouldn't immediately poo poo a future street race.
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I'm surprised they've suggested this race for October given the Atlantic hurricane season runs from June to November.
I was at COTA for the 2015 F1 when it suffered the tail of Hurricane Patricia.
This was but a taste of how it was
https://youtu.be/qxfVpK4lHiY (https://youtu.be/qxfVpK4lHiY)
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Yes indeed! ... sounds like a lot of consideration went into that planning Robem64 (NOT!) ... and here we were criticising 4 hours races during monsoon season at other venues on the Calendar, who knew? :DD :DD
So ... this is apparently the "provisional plans" for Miami. It doesn't look like the most interesting track in the world, but I am sure that Mr Liberty is focusing more on the "Bling Factor" ... and the Almighty Dollar!!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/135799/first-images-of-miami-f1-track-revealed
All the best,
Cal :)
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So ... this is apparently the "provisional plans" for Miami. It doesn't look like the most interesting track in the world...
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/135799/first-images-of-miami-f1-track-revealed
All the best,
Cal :)
Um... what?
:DntKnw:
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Yikes, 2 drag races and a little go kart track. They could do much better.
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Watkins Glen or Indy. Forget Flordia
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It reminds me of the old AVUS circuit in Berlin. It was proof that not all historic tracks were classic.
http://www.allf1.info/tracks/avus.php
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Watkins Glen or Indy. Forget Flordia
Florida is great endurance racing country (the Sebring 12 Hours and the Petit Le Mans are both held there), but I don't know if they have a plausible F1 venue. This isn't it.
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Close Alia, but Petit is held in Georgia near Atlanta, a bit north of Florida.
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Fair point - oops :fool:
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Florida does have the IMSA Daytona 24hr race, too. CART and the old Grand Am used to hold a "Grand Prix of Miami" on the road course at Homestead Raceway. The Tans Am still races there.
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Well, looks like the 'Miami Vote' is tomorrow (Thursday) and it's no surprise that this is pretty much a formality as one of Liberty Media's options on their "wish list".
All the best,
Cal :)
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Liberty is reportedly in talks with New York and Las Vegas as well.
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The city passed a resolution refusing to let the organizers use a piece of city land. If the proposal goes forward, the track will have to be redesigned.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/16/proposed-miami-grand-prix-track-faces-changes-due-to-land-dispute/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2018/05/16/proposed-miami-grand-prix-track-faces-changes-due-to-land-dispute/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
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and looks like a current driver on the grid wants to design the track - hardly fair. No prizes for guessing who ::)
http://www.f1i.com/news/303157-miami-gets-go-ahead-hamilton-wants-design-track.html (http://www.f1i.com/news/303157-miami-gets-go-ahead-hamilton-wants-design-track.html)
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and looks like a current driver on the grid wants to design the track - hardly fair. No prizes for guessing who ::)
http://www.f1i.com/news/303157-miami-gets-go-ahead-hamilton-wants-design-track.html (http://www.f1i.com/news/303157-miami-gets-go-ahead-hamilton-wants-design-track.html)
Schumacher was consulted on the design of Malaysia. I'm surprised that Hamilton wouldn't know that. I do agree with him that current F1 drivers should have input into F1 tracks. Things that SEEM like great passing zones just never seem to work out that way.
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Not much to play with when you design a city course. "Should we turn at this street or the next?"
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Not much to play with when you design a city course. "Should we turn at this street or the next?"
A metropolitan area with large avenues provides some flexibility for curve layout.
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Schumacher also had input into the modern Hockenheim layout, and got a Schumacher Kurve in thanks. Ironically he had less success with the redesigned venue than with the original version...
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Not much to play with when you design a city course. "Should we turn at this street or the next?"
A metropolitan area with large avenues provides some flexibility for curve layout.
Granted, but building a city track is nothing like using a blank sheet of paper like Malaysia. It here are so many considerations regarding local access, track access, view-ability, safety (of community AND competitors. No WAY would a driver have anywhere near the credentials to make any of those decisions.
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Hey, whatever the track if it materialises then I'll certainly be in attendance at this one :)
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Not much to play with when you design a city course. "Should we turn at this street or the next?"
A metropolitan area with large avenues provides some flexibility for curve layout.
Granted, but building a city track is nothing like using a blank sheet of paper like Malaysia. It here are so many considerations regarding local access, track access, view-ability, safety (of community AND competitors. No WAY would a driver have anywhere near the credentials to make any of those decisions.
Presumably it would be akin to an architect working with an engineer, someone has the vision, and the real work is done by the guy who actually has to make sure it can be built.
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So, going with the same approach ... if they let Romain or Max provide their "input" and put their ideas forward towards a new track design, would it turn into an indoor stock car arena??? :DD
All the best,
Cal :)
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Count me out. Miami is a fine city. But it's a so-so racing circuit at best. Fine for a feeder series like Formula E but no where near F1 standards.
Miami Beach, on the other side of the Intercoastal, is a wonderful city.
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Surprise! Surprise!! ... another stumbling block towards Liberty Media's appetite to host a GP in Miami in 2019!!!
https://www.pitpass.com/62073/New-threat-to-Miami-GP (https://www.pitpass.com/62073/New-threat-to-Miami-GP)
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I know all about Miami; I have visited 5 times and have read all of Carl Haisen books so I am a bonafide expert! People will be bribed, a few legs will get broken, the Cuban Mafia will be paid-off and the race will happen. ;)
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:DD :DD :DD
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2nd that - :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
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Diluting?
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137352/miami-race-could-dilute-us-f1-fanbase--austin (https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/137352/miami-race-could-dilute-us-f1-fanbase--austin)
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This is usually the beginning of the end for pie in the sky races. Is Miami going down?
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/report-f1-miami-grand-prix-misses-key-contract-deadline-2019-race (http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/report-f1-miami-grand-prix-misses-key-contract-deadline-2019-race)
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Track layout sucks. Hope it doesn’t happen.
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The Miami wish is fast becoming laughable ... on, off, on, off ... like a dollar store/poundland light bulb!!!! :DD :DD
https://www.f1today.net/en/news/f1/239825/f1-eyes-20-year-deal-for-miami-gp
Give up people, Liberty want their Miami race ... no matter what!!!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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We have reported that Liberty Media is holding fire on publishing the 2019 calendar because of the extended negotiations about a race in the Florida capital.
They're moving the race to Tallahassee?
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Miami is not the capital of Florida as the article suggests, Tallahassee is. If that's an example of how accurate the story is, it's worthless. Liberty seems to have the same fixation with skyline races Bernie had. If they go on this way, my days as a fan are limited.
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Miami is not the capital of Florida as the article suggests, Tallahassee is. If that's an example of how accurate the story is, it's worthless. Liberty seems to have the same fixation with skyline races Bernie had. If they go on this way, my days as a fan are limited.
It always struck me as kinda weird that most capitals in the world are the biggest cities, but in the USA and Canada that's rarely true. Our national capitals are out of the way swamps, our state/provincial capitals are usually truck stops.
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Here our city is the largest and Frankfort probably 3rd is the capital.We
do have oe of the biggest horse races.
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In Arizona, Phoenix is the capital and the largest, too large, bet on water shortages not too far off. My sister lives in Indiana, Indy is the capital and the largest city.
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In Arizona, Phoenix is the capital and the largest, too large, bet on water shortages not too far off. My sister lives in Indiana, Indy is the capital and the largest city.
I think Jericoke is referring to a country's major capital city, not a state? (in other words, Scotland > Edinburgh, England > London, France > Paris etc).
But ... then again, I could be talking utter waffle???
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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In Arizona, Phoenix is the capital and the largest, too large, bet on water shortages not too far off. My sister lives in Indiana, Indy is the capital and the largest city.
I think Jericoke is referring to a country's major capital city, not a state? (in other words, Scotland > Edinburgh, England > London, France > Paris etc).
But ... then again, I could be talking utter waffle???
Best Regards,
Cal :)
I was referencing both national and provincial/state. Of course, there are states/provinces where the largest city is the capital, but those are the exception, not the rule.
NYC, LA, Chicago, Miami, Philadelphia, Seattle, Montreal, Vancouver, Calgary, some of the largest and most influential cities of North America, are all capitals of nothing.
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We have reported that Liberty Media is holding fire on publishing the 2019 calendar because of the extended negotiations about a race in the Florida capital.
They're moving the race to Tallahassee?
Given F1's history (see: Swiss GP of Dijon, San Marino GP of Imola, Luxembourg GP of the Nurburgring), I could entirely believe a "American Grand Prix of Miami" being held 5 miles out from Tallahassee for political reasons!
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Miami has reconfigured the track to eliminate the disputed park area and address concerns of drivers.
https://www.racefans.net/2018/07/19/another-new-track-layout-proposed-for-f1s-miami-grand-prix/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2018/07/19/another-new-track-layout-proposed-for-f1s-miami-grand-prix/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
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Looks like a non-starter now for 2019 - no surprise as they must be close to having to finalise the calendar
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5979413/Formula-One-scraps-plans-Miami-Grand-Prix-2019-city-chiefs-delay-crucial-vote.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/formulaone/article-5979413/Formula-One-scraps-plans-Miami-Grand-Prix-2019-city-chiefs-delay-crucial-vote.html)
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In Arizona, Phoenix is the capital and the largest, too large, bet on water shortages not too far off. My sister lives in Indiana, Indy is the capital and the largest city.
I think Jericoke is referring to a country's major capital city, not a state? (in other words, Scotland > Edinburgh, England > London, France > Paris etc).
But ... then again, I could be talking utter waffle???
Best Regards,
Cal :)
Cept Glasgow is way bigger than Edinburgh, Calman so your just proving Jeri's rule. ;) :D :tease:
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From bad to worse - it seems Liberty wanted the Miami race (aka The Slumber by the Sea) to replace Germany:
http://autoweek.com/article/formula-one/miamis-delay-could-keep-germany-formula-1-picture
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Just shows that like Bernie, Liberty has no respect for traditional venues. Hockenheim and the New 'Ring are both far better tracks than anything Miami could produce.
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Just shows that like Bernie, Liberty has no respect for traditional venues. Hockenheim and the New 'Ring are both far better tracks than anything Miami could produce.
That's no doubt true but no one in Germany is really prepared to bankroll cost of F1 races.
Due to EU rules they can't offer Germany much different terms to all the other tracks in Europe even if they wanted too.
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Miami and HardRock Stadium have apparently reached a preliminary agreement to run a circuit around the stadium. There is still fairly heavy opposition, but this may have legs this time. As you might expect, the layout is pretty uninspiring.
https://formulaspy.com/f1/miami-grand-prix-agreed-in-principle-with-f1-65430 (https://formulaspy.com/f1/miami-grand-prix-agreed-in-principle-with-f1-65430)
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I don't think this will get city approval, as I've seen little effort to sort out the full range of objections locals provided. (If it weren't for that, I'd say it was a certain addition to 2021 - and not really looking forward to "Las Vegas Part II").
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I wonder if anybody has told Liberty that there is a fantastic, world class track (and former F1 USGP venue) just a couple of hours away from Miami. They could still badge it the Grand Prix of Miami.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FXgBbxsE6Q
Can anybody think of another F1 race where the P1 & P2 drivers later became constructors? ;)
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I don't think this will get city approval, as I've seen little effort to sort out the full range of objections locals provided. (If it weren't for that, I'd say it was a certain addition to 2021 - and not really looking forward to "Las Vegas Part II").
Totally agree Ali - at the end of the day the race is still proposed for Miami (and the residents who object) wherever they plonk the track. Let's see what 28th October brings which is I believe the meeting date.
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Well, after all these years, a Miami GP is apparently back on the table. The City Council has approved the Hard Rock stadium parking lot course. Which classic course will it replace?
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Possibly Canada, Lonny. Noises abound about Liberty demanding a $6m race fee even if no spectators are present at this year's race.
For context - last year Liberty offered to pay the same to organisers to stage GP at track without income from spectators - allegedly.