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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: J.Clark on June 02, 2016, 03:07:48 PM
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I have always liked this race and this circuit - been there a few times. I always got seats at the hairpin (exit side is better).
Canada has been part of the Formula 1 championship since 1967, but not always in Montreal. I was also run in Bowmanville, Ontario and in Mont-Tremblant, Quebec. The venue became Île Notre-Dame in Montreal and following the passing of the famed Gilles Villeneuve, the circuit added his name to the title.
It is on an island. It is technically a street circuit in the same way as the Australian Grand Prix - a park. The race is 70 times around the 2.7 mile, 14 turn track. It is generally a very high speed circuit with a long straight leading up to the final two turns, a chicane leading on to the start/finish straight as it passes the "Wall of Champions" - at the exit of turn 14 that has collected nearly every driver who has been a world champion, and several who have not.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2pPRSKwcsF0
There have been some very exciting races and some very curious incidents.
Hamilton rear-ended Kimi in the pit out: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IbSL8edgC3Y
Kubica crashed coming to the hairpin (happened right in front of me): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiOPWFvu0Po
Perez v Massa in an attempt by Perez to hold the inevitable at bey: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh7d7guKIps
There are others, and I invite you all to post clips of some of them.
Mercedes should have concerns since they seem to continue to have brake issues and brake issues took Hamilton out of this race once and cost Rosberg; although, he did finish.
This could be a circuit which once again favors the slippery Williams cars.
Ferrari verses Red Bull should be quite a show here. Both Red Bulls will have the upgraded Renault power unit, which as Ricciardo clearly demonstrated in Monaco, is a huge leap forward. Vettel has suffered a run of bad luck with reliability issues and Kimi too in some measure, but the Ferrari has been better it seems at high speed circuits.
Williams, Force India, McLaren, Scudaria Torro Roso, and Haas will no doubt be putting on some good racing in the middle, each of which has a real shot at points finishes. Williams and McLaren are two teams that could surprise at this circuit with a podium if either Merc drivers experience a problem.
The lap record belongs to Barrichello at 1:13.622 in a Ferrari, back in 2004.
I will not be surprised, given the increased performance in this season's cars, to see that record fall.
The most wins by a driver goes to Michael with 7, but of current drivers on the grid, Lewis has 4. Other winners on the 2016 grid are: Ricciardo, Vettel, Button, Alonso, and Raikkonen.
Most wins by a constructor goes to Ferrari at 13.
Tire selections for Canada -
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Looking forward to Canada one of my favourites as well. I remember the Hamilton and Kubica crashes well, Hamilton's gave me a smile but I was amazed that Kubica walked away from his, that was truly spectacular.
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Kubica's feet were sort of dangling out of the end of the front where the very end of the monocock was broken off.
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I was at Indy the week after Kubica shunt. The medical delegate wouldn't let him race due to the possibility of a concussion. (A wise precaution IMO). They replaced him with some young German kid named Vettel. It was his first F1 start.
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I was in Stand 11 last year and if ever going again that's where I would want to be a great seat with views all along the pit straight and the people around me who had been going for the last 20 years were very welcoming.
Could be a wet one this year?
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It left me quite disappointed when they altered the chicane leading to Wall of Champion, specially adding some run off area, it totally takes away the challenge of getting the turn perfected by the driver, other than that it is a brilliant track, with brilliant racing on the cards. It has given us some unforgettable races, some unforgettable moments and a hint of what to come in the future.
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http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/6/Your_guide_to_the_Canadian_Grand_Prix.html
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There are hints of some of the upgrades we will see tomorrow.
Williams is bring new aeros.
Ferrari is upgrading their turbo.
Honda says a "new" turbo.
Williams should show better in Montreal anyway, as their car is truly fast at circuits with long, high speed, straights.
Ferrari is not giving up and is still developing their package and that is good to see.
McLaren's Honda has been showing some promise so this new turbo, if it doesn't blow up, should be a boost and Alonso and Button should be able to continue the upward movement.
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And, best of all, those of us on this side of the pond will be able to watch FP1, 2 & 3, Quali & the race without having to get up at stupid o'clock in the morning! :yahoo: :yahoo: :lazy:
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And, best of all, those of us on this side of the pond will be able to watch FP1, 2 & 3, Quali & the race without having to get up at stupid o'clock in the morning! :yahoo: :yahoo: :lazy:
Yeah, instead it comes smack dab in the middle of when I'm doing stuff with my family.
My favourite part of F1 is having a quiet house to myself in the morning lol
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A good friend just sent me this in an email.
PIRELLI CANADA GRAND PRIX PREVIEW
Round 7 of 21
Montreal, 9-12 June 2016
Milan, June 6, 2016 – Just two weeks after the debut of the new P Zero Purple ultrasoft tire in Monaco, it appears again as part of exactly the same nomination for Canada: soft, supersoft and ultrasoft. Canada however will present a number of different challenges to Monaco, with notably higher speeds and higher loads that generate more temperature and put increased energy through the tires.
THE CIRCUIT FROM A TIRE POINT OF VIEW:
Like Monaco, Canada is a low-grip circuit with a high degree of weekend track evolution.
The cars reach speeds in excess of 300kph, meaning that they tend to run low downforce.
The track is also famous for high kerbs, which provide the tire structure with a big challenge.
Weather conditions are variable: a factor that has led to a number of safety cars in the past.
The hallmarks of Canada are acceleration and braking: longitudinal rather than lateral forces.
Montreal is a semi-permanent facility, so track surfaces (and grip) can vary during the lap.
THE THREE NOMINATED COMPOUNDS:
Yellow soft: the hardest compound in the selection, poised to play an important role in the race.
Red supersoft: two teams have interestingly chosen not to nominate this compound at all.
Purple ultrasoft: very popular on its Monaco debut and chosen extensively in Canada.
HOW IT WAS A YEAR AGO:
Winner: Hamilton (one stop: started on supersoft, changed to soft on lap 32 of 70).
Best-placed alternative strategy: Raikkonen, fourth with two stops. Started and finished the race with the supersoft tires but did his middle stint on the soft tire.
The top-three finishers all used a one-stop strategy, stopping within three laps of each other.
PAUL HEMBERY, PIRELLI MOTORSPORT DIRECTOR:
“In Canada there’s the potential for some quite mixed weather conditions, as we also saw in Monaco, so this could make it a very complex race as has often been the case in the past. The compounds that we have nominated mean that there is plenty of scope for strategy, on a circuit where it’s definitely possible to overtake on the track as well. The ultrasoft made its mark when it first appeared in Monaco but Canada is a very different type of circuit with more demands on tires. This could lead to a number of different tactics coming into play, as evidenced from the tire choices made by each team prior to the race.”
WHAT’S NEW?
The new wider 2017 Pirelli F1 tires were revealed in Monaco, attracting plenty of comment.
A new pit and paddock complex is planned for next year, so this will be the final time we see the ‘traditional’ Montreal paddock, which is cramped but full of atmosphere.
OTHER THINGS THAT HAVE CAUGHT OUR EYE RECENTLY:
There have been some very varied tire choices for Canada, with no supersofts for Renault and Haas. Mercedes, Ferrari, and Red Bull have all made slightly different choices to each other.
TIRES NOMINATED SO FAR:
Purple
Red
Yellow
White
Orange
Australia
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
Bahrain
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
China
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
Russia
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
Spain
Soft
Medium
Hard
Monaco
Ultrasoft
Supersoft
Soft
Canada
Ultrasoft
Supersoft
Soft
Azerbaijan
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
Austria
Ultrasoft
Supersoft
Soft
Great Britain
Soft
Medium
Hard
Hungary
Supersoft
Soft
Medium
Singapore
Ultrasoft
Supersoft
Soft
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Massa had a heavy shunt in Turn 1 during FP1, bringing out the red flag:
http://www.formula1.com/content/fom-website/en/video/2016/6/FP1__Massa_backs_it_into_the_Turn_1_barriers.html
Williams later tweeted:
#FP1 DRS didn't fully close causing @MassaFelipe19 to lose the rear wing under braking. Team investigating and working to fix car for #FP2
— WILLIAMS RACING (@WilliamsRacing) June 10, 2016
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Hamilton was at the top of the field in FP1. It's worth noting that he set his time on reds while Nico's time was on purples.
1 HAM 1:14.755
2 ROS +0.331
3 VET +0.488
4 VES +0.798
5 RAI +0.863
6 BOT +1.546
7 HUL +1.709
8 SAI +1.788
9 PER +1.822
10 ALO +1.908
11 RIC +1.979
12 BUT +2.033
13 GRO +2.253
14 MAS +2.310
15 KVY +2.555
16 GUT +2.564
17 NAS +3.100
18 HAR +3.348
19 ERI +3.374
20 MAG +3.654
21 WEH +3.698
22 PAL +3.828
Button had problems with his Honda engine again. He left the pits with smoke pouring from the exhausts. He radioed in, "It's like we're stuck on a temperature limiter." His engineer radioed back that he should box immediately and that Honda knew what the issue was.
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Lewis on top in FP2:
1 HAM 1:14.212
2 VET +0.257
3 ROS +0.526
4 VES +0.944
5 RIC +0.956
6 BOT +1.001
7 BUT +1.001
8 RAI +1.022
9 HUL +1.109
10 SAI +1.198
11 ALO +1.238
12 PER +1.281
13 MAS +1.301
14 KVY +1.347
15 GRO +1.881
16 MAG +2.043
17 NAS +2.370
18 GUT +2.379
19 ERI +2.690
20 PAL +2.789
21 WEH +2.811
22 HAR +3.211
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:o Mercs set that time on the soft tires I think.
Nearly everyone else put a lot of laps on the ultras.
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I love this venue and the track. It's beautiful to look at and tends to produce exciting racing. The highlights package is on at 10:30pm here, which isn't great though. I much prefer it when they show this race live.
Mercedes look dominant throughout practice so far, and I wonder whether Rosberg is going to be able to bounce back from Monaco, he's a bit behind Hamilton thus far. Either way, I see this being a dominant weekend for Mercedes, as I cannot see Red Bull having the same level of pace as they achieved in Monaco.
Massa's accident has put him on the back foot, and I wonder whether Williams might be under pressure from Force India this weekend.
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The Wall of Champions just bit Saintz in Q2.
David Hobbs just described having high speed Montreal after tight quarters Monaco as "going from the sublime to the cor blimey." Good one, Hobbo!
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I was out all day yesterday and didn't even look at this or watch qualifying until late.
Here are the results and set the grid:
1. Hamilton Mercedes 1m 12.812
2. Rosberg Mercedes 1m 12.874
3. Vettel Ferrari 1m 12.990
4. Ricciardo Red Bull 1m 13.166
5. Verstappen Red Bull 1m 13.414
6. Raikkonen Ferrari 1m 13.579
7. Bottas Williams 1m 13.670
8. Massa Williams 1m 13.769
9. Hulkenberg Force India 1m 13.952
10. Alonso ESP McLaren 1m 14.338
11. Perez X Force India 1m 14.317
12. Button McLaren 1m 14.437
13. Kvyat Toro Rosso 1m 14.457
14. Gutierrez Haas 1m 14.571
15. Grosjean Haas 1m 14.803
16. Sainz Toro Rosso 1m 21.956 – crashed at Wall of Champions
17. Palmer Renault 1m 15.459
18. Wehrlein MRT 1m 15.599
19. Ericsson Sauber 1m 15.635
20. Nasr Sauber 1m 16.663
21. Haryanto MRT 1m 17.052
22. Magnussen Renault No time
Posting this, I am suddenly, and somewhat painfully aware of the dilemma facing Sauber. They had shown a lot of promise. What has happened to them to put them back in the grips of MRT race after race?
Haas doesn't appear to have the speed needed at this circuit so a points finish will require a lot of luck.
Williams showed a few brief bursts of competitive speed so I wouldn't be too surprised to see them battling with those a few spots ahead of them to finish higher than they are starting. Both are truly in competition with each other. They made a declaration I wasn't thinking about during qualifying, about Massa. He is the only driver on the grid to have scored championship points in every race. That is so nice to hear because he has had a few years where he got taken out, especially in early races.
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Massa is apparently missing parts on his car in Canada, after his crash, they don't seem to have replacements for all the broken bits (a bit surprised...I thought Williams has the budget this year to account for everything). Anyway, they say he may not be quite as competitive in the race as a result.
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I wonder if 'missing parts' was the problem in the race. They never said why they retired his car.
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It was nice to see a podium with drivers happy to be there!
Even in the 'cool down' room Seb and Lewis had a great chat, and it seemed like they'd enjoyed their day.
I think that's what they'd intended with this cool down room camera access, glad it finally happened.
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There was a funny incident in the cool down room. Somebody had to come in & remind Bottas that he'd forgotten to get weighed in. I guess he's not used to being there. ;)
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That race fell somewhat flat after promising much initially.
Ferrari messed up the strategy, but I still think that Hamilton had the pace to win even if they had not. Red Bull were disappointing though, and posed little challenge for victory. Bottas, meanwhile, did very well to take third.
Of course, had he not had the puncture, Rosberg would have finished third. He was a bit unlucky, but considering how reliably everything has gone for him for much of the year, he cannot complain. His battle with Verstappen was the only thing which enlivened proceedings in what was a very dull race.
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I like how Vettel has handled it. In interviews, he has steadfastly refused to throw his team under the bus for making the wrong strategy call. Well done, Seb!
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I like how Vettel has handled it. In interviews, he has steadfastly refused to throw his team under the bus for making the wrong strategy call. Well done, Seb!
Seb has done an amazing job of rehabilitating his image. Last year in Montreal he got the loudest boos. This year, I heard plenty of cheering for him. Same guy, same crowd, different result.
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I like how Vettel has handled it. In interviews, he has steadfastly refused to throw his team under the bus for making the wrong strategy call. Well done, Seb!
Seb has done an amazing job of rehabilitating his image. Last year in Montreal he got the loudest boos. This year, I heard plenty of cheering for him. Same guy, same crowd, different result.
Absolutely :good: :good:
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Seb has done an amazing job of rehabilitating his image. Last year in Montreal he got the loudest boos. This year, I heard plenty of cheering for him. Same guy, same crowd, different result.
Not really. He's just become better at masking his true nature. When things go wrong for him, he's as bad as he always was. Just remember the outburst on team radio in Sochi and the way he disparages back markers on the radio when they do not get out of the way fast enough for him.