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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: TimmyTime on April 02, 2019, 05:59:27 PM
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/f1/news/12433/11398223/the-formula-1-gossip-column
Article 1.
Only just read this....much more like Ferrari. All I can say is well done Leclerc you did the right thing. Keep it up, you are the better more talented driver in the team by far and the only one who can push Lewis. Vettel, I hear you may quit in 2021 if you don't like the new regs, really?? Or just can't bear to lose to another team mate. Totally average and a lucky 4 time WDC
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Interesting, in the first race we had Bad Boy Bottas (BBB) and now we have got Bad Boy Charles (BBC) Ooooo that's not good, BBC and F1 don't mix anymore >:D
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BBC is more of a threat than BBB to Lewis
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"We just received a coded message from Maranello. Put car 16 in Limp Home Mode at the end of the race."
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Conspiracy theories in F1, surely not!! :D
I wonder if Seb is thinking ".. this is like the RBR days when Danny Ric came along, although Leclerc could be even more of a competitive animal!!!".
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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"We just received a coded message from Maranello. Put car 16 in Limp Home Mode at the end of the race."
You wicked man Cosworth hehe. That might cheer Sebastian up and give him a chance ;)
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Thrilled to see Lelerc take Kimis' seat as he will give Seb more of a run then Kimi did. Not sure why Kimi didn't take it too him as he has the talent.
Charles has the young raw talent to go far and he reminds me of Lewis when he started.
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Thrilled to see Lelerc take Kimis' seat as he will give Seb more of a run then Kimi did.
Speaking of which, are we now seeing a window into Ferrari's future???
https://www.express.co.uk/sport/f1-autosport/1108569/F1-news-Ferrari-Sebastian-Vettel-Charles-Leclerc-Mick-Schumacher-Bahrain-GP-testing
Ferrari = Seb/Kimi .... {blink} Ferrari will = LeClerc/Schumacher
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Agreed.
If Leclerc beats Vettel this year on merit, I think it will be Leclerc/Schumacher next year at Ferrari.
I’m good with that.
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If allowed Leclerc WILL beat Vettel on merit and Vettel will cry like a baby.
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Indeed Timmy!
I feel the next 2-3 races will show us who Ferrari are investing their efforts into, could be interesting!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Seb considers his future.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/03/vettel-is-considering-his-future-in-f1-its-now-more-show-than-sport/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/03/vettel-is-considering-his-future-in-f1-its-now-more-show-than-sport/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
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... I wish he would consider purchasing a decent razor and shaving off that 1930's mustache!!!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Seb considers his future.
https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/03/vettel-is-considering-his-future-in-f1-its-now-more-show-than-sport/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/04/03/vettel-is-considering-his-future-in-f1-its-now-more-show-than-sport/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
Just go, your rubbish. Mentally lost it.
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A bit harsh. Vettel has earned his position in the top 3-4 drivers on merit. I tend to agree with him. I think he will leave Ferrari at the end of this contract anyway. In the mean time, the battle between him and Leclerc will be fascinating.
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Harsh?? He can't even keep the best car in a straight line. He is lucky his team mate was so in his pocket at Red Bull, Ricciardo proved that. He is average and many drivers would have won the WDC in his car last year.... isn't that right Magdalena.
He can leave and I won't miss him
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Vettel is still good. It's just that the bar at Ferrari's been moved almost literally overnight.
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Harsh?? He can't even keep the best car in a straight line. He is lucky his team mate was so in his pocket at Red Bull, Ricciardo proved that. He is average and many drivers would have won the WDC in his car last year.... isn't that right Magdalena.
He can leave and I won't miss him
I've never counted Vettel amongst my favourite drivers, but you have to respect his race win an STR in 2008 (before 'big team' RBR got their first win, mind you), and a hard fought championship in 2010 (third going into the last race and winning the championship? Has that ever happened?)
He has the skills of a world champion.
I do agree that he seems to have lost whatever iron nerve he had at the beginning of his career. It could be the pressure of being the best instead of fighting with nothing to lose. It could be that he's more mature, less willing to take chance... or trying to prove that he's willing to take chances so takes them more.
Personally, I don't want a team sponsored by Mission Winnow to have any success as all, so I hope they fail spectacularly, but it's nothing against him personally. I'd love a close fight as a fan of the sport.
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In 2008 it was a good but slightly lucky weather affected win. Hamilton should have won but on the day didn't.
In 2010 Vettel was lucky, he took Button out of contention, literally, I believe in Belgium. Alonso was deserving of that championship. Red Bull could have and should have backed Webber but probably due to Vettel being a development programme driver and Red Bulls favourite they refused to do this. Then typically, Ferrari messed up their strategy and gifted Vettel the championship from under Alonso's nose. Then the next three were all best car, no challenger, team mate not allowed to win etc.
A true champion would be able to raise their bar to beat their rivals. Example, Hamilton at Singapore last year. Vettel cannot raise his bar, he has truly peaked.
Time to go Seb
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A true champion would be able to raise their bar to beat their rivals. Example, Hamilton at Singapore last year. Vettel cannot raise his bar, he has truly peaked.
Time to go Seb
Hamilton is better than Seb, no question. I think that 2018 was a special championship that Hamilton earned more than any championship I've seen since I started watching in 1996.
(Don't get me wrong, I would say all the champions were deserved in that time frame. The fastest car with the better driver won. That simply wasn't the case in 2018, Mercedes wasn't the fastest car, and if it weren't for Hamilton's work, there would be no Mercedes champion)
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I generally have more respect for Vettel these days (comparing with his early 'brat days' battling with Webber at RBR). Whether you like him or not, you have to respect what he has achieved in RBR and Ferrari to date. In his early days, it was argued that he may not be the best driver from lower positions on the grid, as his race craft didn't measure up to legends in the sport, but clearly he still has talent, even if it's questionable, whether he is still "at the top of his game".
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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I think what Vettel has lost is the will to win. He doesn't seem to want it as bad as he used to, or as bad as Hamilton.
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I think Seb has lost the composure to win. When things get close, Lewis keeps his wits about him. Any more, Seb makes rookie style errors when things get tough.
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Exactly
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I think Seb felt bullet proof in the RBR days, but now with the pressure at Ferrari, a few doubts have crept in and he will likely be assessing his own skills, more now, than ever!!!
Clearly, LeClerc could cement the tipping point, as new "hungry" talented drivers are making their way onto the grid.
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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It seems to really go south on him when he gets passed. Winning from the lead is his main thing, and he can provide an exciting run from starting in the back on occasion, but if he is on the front row and doesn't take the lead or keep the lead after the first couple of corners, he gets desperate and makes rookie errors.
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We've not heard from Ferrari why they issued the stay in formation order, was it because they feared engine vulnerabilities if Charles pushed on too much, rather than just fearing a coming together?
They obviously had some issues in Aus which led them to run the engines below real top end power. Is it possible that Charles speed caused his own demise from mechanical failure? He wouldn't be the first or last driver to take a car past it's reliability limit.
I realise this theorizing is totally against mainstream opinion and I mean no disrespect to Leclerc, I'm just thinking outside the box - out loud.
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I have similar questions/theories John!
There is a lot of speculation floating around internet-land, but I personally wonder about the first few laps after Leclerc lost the lead. Is it possible he was told to hold station behind Seb for >>>
A) Potential car issue, if pushed too hard early on ....
B) Simply not wanting to risk a potential coming together with Seb .... or
C) Avoid upsetting Seb, should the team not favour his lead???
Hopefully, we will learn more about Ferrari's Dynamics/Mechanics in China!
Best Regards,
Cal :)
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Harsh?? He can't even keep the best car in a straight line. He is lucky his team mate was so in his pocket at Red Bull, Ricciardo proved that. He is average and many drivers would have won the WDC in his car last year.... isn't that right Magdalena.
He can leave and I won't miss him
I agree with you Tim that Vettel is an average driver in potentially a good car, but like in every aspect of life you have to have the bad people so you can appreciate the good more.
Don't slap me for this one Tim but if we didn't have Vettel I would really hate Hamilton ;) Oh and Tim, if baby cakes was in Vettel's car last year he would have had Hamilton :P
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I won't hit you.....but would have had Hamilton ...... Maybe got closer than Seb did LOL
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I won't hit you.....but would have had Hamilton ...... Maybe got closer than Seb did LOL
That's a big statement for a little lamb baaaaa
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How do you know I am a little lamb LOL.
I will be fair, Alonso would not have crashed in Germany or in Italy for a start. That would have made it much much closer.
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Why does every thread turn into a baby cakes thread? Just wondering
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My theory on this was that Ferrari was simply flat-footed - they were not expecting either Ferrari to make 5 seconds on its team-mate in the space of 2 laps. As such, the call to wait for 2 laps was simply to evaluate the situation and figure out what they needed to do. After all, it wasn't 100% obvious then whether Leclerc had just used a stint's worth of speed in 5 laps total, or if he was in total control of the situation and Vettel was being over-cautious... ...or indeed whether Ferrari would be better off permitting the swapover due to Leclerc being plain faster. Also, if the Ferraris were genuinely similar in speed, then Ferrari might have wanted them together in order to help with overtaking tactics, if they became needed later (we all know how good Ferrari are at making bad strategy calls...)
If the plan was to save engines on the basis they have to last 7 races, or to favour Vettel, giving a 2-lap instruction was pointless because that just kicked the inevitable decision down the road. They might as well have said "We're holding position for the race" the first time, and risked Charles' wrath later if there was any.
If it was a suspicion that the electrical fault might be pending, I'd have expected more monitoring and target-setting in advance of the breakage, let alone the overtake. Apparently there was a bunch of radio from Leclerc's car not broadcast, but it didn't support the notion that Ferrari knew the car was unusually vulnerable to anything until that "There is something strange with the engine" message.
As it happened, Charles didn't get much choice about following the team order because Vettel made a minor error at the end of the next straight...