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General F1 Discussion / Re: Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by Alianora La Canta on July 30, 2021, 06:59:32 PM »
“The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter...”

Deliberately ambiguous, but likely Red Bull. (Edited to add: initially I thought it was ambiguous on the basis of not being allowed to admit reading the documents that deeply, but now I realise that grammatically, the letter being referred to must be Red Bull's. Thus Red Bull is being criticised).

The only possible reason Red Bull could have got a bigger penalty for Lewis is if they had been able to demonstrate that the move was deliberate or unduly reckless (proving which is optional; proving it must have been either is compulsory). Their defence will naturally have reflected this. Either accusation would be reasonably considered an insult to someone of Lewis' racing stature and racing record.

I suspect this was the stewards' way of indicating there is a problem in the wording, given they're not allowed to address the matter directly (given they're only supposed to have done a summary check of the documents).

I don't quite understand this. Are they having a dig at RB or at Hamilton?
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by lkjohnson1950 on July 30, 2021, 05:23:55 PM »
They are saying the R/B may have had a point, but it was mixed in with a lot of irrelevant material and not presented properly, so no go.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by Jericoke on July 30, 2021, 04:36:35 PM »
"Objection"

"Overruled"

"No, no, no, I strenuously object!"
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by rmassart on July 30, 2021, 04:02:16 PM »
“The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter...”

I don't quite understand this. Are they having a dig at RB or at Hamilton?
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General F1 Discussion / Stewards Dismiss Review of Hamilton Penalty
« Last post by cosworth151 on July 30, 2021, 03:11:13 PM »
The stewards have dismissed Red Bull's request to review Lewis Hamilton's Silverstone penalty. After looking at the information RBR presented to them, the stewards deemed it did not qualify as a “significant and relevant new element”.

They added that some of the slides were “not ‘discovered’ but created for the purposes of submissions to support the petition for review. And they were created based on evidence that was available at the time of the decisions. That clearly does not satisfy the requirements of Article 14.”

“The Stewards note, with some concern, certain allegations [which have not been made public] made in the Competitor's above letter. Such allegations may or may not have been relevant to the Stewards if the Petition for Review had been granted. The Stewards may have addressed these allegations directly in any decision that would have followed. The Petition having been dismissed, the Stewards make no comments on those allegations.”

 :yahoo:

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/article.breaking-stewards-dismiss-red-bull-request-to-review-hamiltons-british-grand.4tB8ExYNrCExZN3QXSPMUP.html

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General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Andy B on July 29, 2021, 06:07:21 AM »
Horns on F1 cars it would be like driving in Italy!  >:D
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Jericoke on July 28, 2021, 04:01:26 PM »
Maybe they could install horns on the cars

I would LOVE for a passing F1 car to have a huge truck style air horn to let the lead car know they're being passed.

Or do you mean horns like on a bull, so you can gore someone who turns in on you?  I'd kind of support that too.
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Dare on July 28, 2021, 03:42:50 PM »
Maybe they could install horns on the cars
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General F1 Discussion / Re: Marko: No on-track revenge but maybe legal action
« Last post by Jericoke on July 28, 2021, 02:17:35 PM »
I am surprised Red Bull is allowing good money to be thrown after bad. It doesn't seem to be gaining them any sympathy, and just means the FIA is £15,000 richer.

To a degree, I understand the litigation of whether a part/design philosophy is legal/illegal on an F1 car.  You either want to have a cheating car banned, or copy the design you wish you'd thought of.

Litigating a driver's reaction on track is ridiculous.  Even though the Lewis/Max crash turned out to be quite dangerous/expensive, it wasn't even the worst driving mistake of the race weekend.  If anyone makes a mistake and spins, it COULD cost millions of dollars and risk to a dozen drivers.  Should THEY be penalized as well?  Jumping the curb has shown to cause catastrophic failure in the past, should that get a race ban too?  Unsafe pit releases in a confined space with hundreds of unprotected people could create the worst disaster in modern racing, but it gets the same 10 seconds Hamilton received.

If Red Bull wants the standard to be a passing car MUST vacate where the leading car probably wants to go, I hope they've instructed their drivers to stick to that protocol, or else they'll have to sack their drivers on the grounds of safety, regardless of what the FIA rules.  (Just because the FIA allows for "reckless driving" doesn't mean RBR has to allow it)
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With LH requiring a new rim the tyre changes would have covered that so nothing would have changed.
I have always found it a bit odd that repairs could be made under a red flag what happened to Park Ferme?

If it was just the rim Andy why has Wolff stated that the car would have been retired until the red flag meant they could repair it? :confused:

They could've just pitted Hammy under safety car and put new wheels on, if that's all it took.

Edit: what happened here? My reply seems to have gone missing...

The reply was: Because you can't check that it's nothing worse, or if you do check, you lose too much time for it to be worth letting the car back out.

(Which is a good reason to allow repairs under the red flag - barring them means teams will skip the checks if they think there's any chance the car might be sound, resulting in dangerous situations on the restart).
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