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Title: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Willy on July 14, 2019, 07:56:59 PM
Nice to watch the British Gp at Silverstone as it is the location of the heart of F1.

Hero's

Hamilton.
This driver has it all and knows his car so well he can get more out of it then Bottas. He pulls off a fastest lap on the last lap of the race on hard tires that had run over 25 laps and should have been changed out 5 laps ago.

Sainz.
Gained 7 positions in the race. Great job fending off Danny for lap after lap and bringing home Macca in the points again.

Leclerc
Wonderful neck and neck battle with Dirty Max. Great to watch.

Zero's

Vettel
Quali sucked and then you rear-end Max to collect a 10-sec penalty. Are you trying to get punted from Ferrari?  Methinks you have had it with F1 and are looking for an out.

Silverstone Pit Lane
I have not been able to watch F1 for a few years so today's race was the first for me in a while, and I did not notice when then pitlane changed and was dug down at the end. It appears that there is a tall concrete wall stopping the fans from seeing any pit-lane action as part of the lane is below ground. Is this so? And why?

Nope, can't think of more.

Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Dare on July 14, 2019, 10:53:56 PM
Hero's

Hamilton-now thinking he's the best of all time
               but driving the Mercedes may be part of it

LeClerc-3rd is what he deserved and despite Ferrari he
             got it. Any doubt he's number one now

Silverstone-for just being Silverstone


Zero's

Seb- for taking out Max

Max-for karma allowing one of his moves to
        take him out

Ferrari-if they don't demote Vetted to number 2
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Jericoke on July 15, 2019, 04:39:19 AM
Heroes

A great race, especially the fights between Ferrari and Red Bull.  It looks like word has gotten out that 'hard racing' is 'fair racing'.  It's a bit of a shift, but if the drivers, teams and stewards are on board, and this is the result, I think it will be okay.

Zeroes

I've given Grosjean the benefit of the doubt, but... come on.  That's not how to drive an F1 car.

Vettel just isn't the driver he was.  Certainly other drivers who have won championships have raced too long, racing with heart, but at a loss of skill.  Vettel is the only one I've seen where he retains his skill, but with a loss of heart. 
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 15, 2019, 05:40:25 AM
Drivers will meet with the FIA to discuss penalties and how much "freedom to race" they have July 23, after the German GP. Todt expects to discuss "hard racing" and use of runoff areas.

https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/14/drivers-to-meet-fia-and-stewards-to-discuss-penalty-controversies/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/14/drivers-to-meet-fia-and-stewards-to-discuss-penalty-controversies/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: cosworth151 on July 15, 2019, 02:44:35 PM
Heroes:

Silverstone, Hamilton & Leclerc - For the reasons mentioned above.

The Stewards - Thanks for nothing! Seriously, thank you very much for pretty much doing nothing to interfere with a fine race. You let the race be settled on that track instead of in the stewards' office. That's how racing is meant to be.

Zeroes:

Haas - The First Commandment of Racing is Thou Shalt Not take out thy team mate. They've also brought the great NASCAR tradition of the Start & Park team to F1. Start the race, run a couple of laps, bring the car in, load it on the trailer, grab the starting money & split.

ESPN - They've long been putting the Free Practice sessions out on their extra cost ESPNU. Now, they've moved Quali out there. We're back where we were years ago, searching the internet for bootleg feeds.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: guest3164 on July 15, 2019, 06:29:59 PM
I had to work yesterday so missed most of the race and almost all of the tennis. 

So, I have no heroes, but I do have a big zero  :'(
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Dare on July 15, 2019, 07:29:27 PM
Heroes:

Silverstone, Hamilton & Leclerc - For the reasons mentioned above.

The Stewards - Thanks for nothing! Seriously, thank you very much for pretty much doing nothing to interfere with a fine race. You let the race be settled on that track instead of in the stewards' office. That's how racing is meant to be.

Zeroes:

Haas - The First Commandment of Racing is Thou Shalt Not take out thy team mate. They've also brought the great NASCAR tradition of the Start & Park team to F1. Start the race, run a couple of laps, bring the car in, load it on the trailer, grab the starting money & split.

ESPN - They've long been putting the Free Practice sessions out on their extra cost ESPNU. Now, they've moved Quali out there. We're back where we were years ago, searching the internet for bootleg feeds.


I thought I was covered with ESPN 1,2,and 3....guess again
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 15, 2019, 07:32:11 PM
Yeah, I'm in the same leaky boat.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 15, 2019, 08:02:34 PM
After a remarkable turn around season so far, Honda gets a zero for Albon's late retirement. He was unable to stop for tires needed to complete the race due to a "high voltage" condition in the electronics. Electrocuted by your car would be a very bad way to go!!

https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/15/high-voltage-safety-warning-meant-albon-couldnt-pit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29 (https://www.racefans.net/2019/07/15/high-voltage-safety-warning-meant-albon-couldnt-pit/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+f1fanatic+%28RaceFans+-+Independent+Motorsport+Coverage%29)
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: rmassart on July 16, 2019, 05:49:04 AM
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Google translate is your friend for finding your away around the site. The channel to watch is Diema Sports.  Only downside: coverage is in Bulgarian. But maybe you can get the BBC radio stream in English from somewhere.

The link is here (and I do not get any commission :) ):
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Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Andy B on July 16, 2019, 10:44:59 PM
You could also try www.sparksport.co.nz who stream the Sky coverage I'm assuming it'll work anywhere which I am due to find out as I'm heading away for a holiday including the Hungarian GP.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Robem64 on July 17, 2019, 08:03:06 AM
Enjoy the Hungarian GP Andy  :good:
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Andy B on July 18, 2019, 10:03:58 AM
Enjoy the Hungarian GP Andy  :good:

Cheers Rob, have you been to this one?
If so any advice?
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: cosworth151 on July 18, 2019, 03:35:58 PM
Have a good'un, Andy! Don't forget your giant GP Wizard banner.  ;)
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Robem64 on July 18, 2019, 09:49:56 PM
Enjoy the Hungarian GP Andy  :good:

Cheers Rob, have you been to this one?
If so any advice?

Not been to this one Andy so interested to hear your experience - it's on my list! I will have managed 5 this year when it gets to the end of this season though so done quite well.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 18, 2019, 10:06:02 PM
You could also try www.sparksport.co.nz who stream the Sky coverage I'm assuming it'll work anywhere which I am due to find out as I'm heading away for a holiday including the Hungarian GP.

Excellent! It is a fantastic race weekend. Don't miss the waffle stand at the back of the circuit (or the banter between its three chefs, two of whom speak good English).

But please, please promise me one thing... ...that you will drink lots and lots of water. (Ask me how I know. The book is pending).

Edit: I should probably do the whole "Heroes and Zeroes" thing...

Heroes:

Leclerc: He wasn't kidding when he said last race was an eye-opener. I thought he and Verstappen were going to crash about four times during their battle, and seeing him teach Max how to do his own signature moves properly was fun. Ferrari were not exactly covering themselves in glory but thanks to Charles, they got away with it.

Hamilton: Excellent domination all race despite starting from 2nd.

Gasly: Say it quietly, but I think he might have turned the corner.

Honourable mentions:

Verstappen for his role in the fight that is likely to be one of the things 2019 is most remembered for. Misses the "heroes" list for two reasons: his Red Bull was faster than he made it look at most points during the race, and he apparently still has no control over what comes out of his mouth after races.

The stewards for being careful not to confuse things even further.
Sainz for his overtaking antics.
Albon for making that long tyre stint work.
BWT (a Racing Point sponsor) for donating £1,000 to Breast Cancer Care for every position a Racing Point driver improves. Maybe this race wasn't the biggest amount ever added but it's a start.
Everyone involved in getting the race on the calendar for the next 5 years.

Zeroes

Lightning Volt: The company messed up its reputation with Haas as Rich Energy so badly that it was forced to change its name and toss out its CEO to stay afloat (for how long?) Not that Mr Storey brought much to the table other than a big mouth and bad manners, it seems. Haas handled the matter with grace.

Grosjean: Less graceful was the collision the Haases had with each other at the start of the race. Romain is looking increasingly like a man headed for the exit door.

Vettel: When he asked "What did Verstappen think he was doing?"... ...the question would have been better directed at himself. Sebastian was, after all, the man who'd apparently forgotten his braking point at the most embarrassing moment possible. He got a penalty, but I'm not sure it's going to help.

Dishonourable mentions:

Jean Todt for trying to make himself "relevant" by proposing things nobody appears to want.

You may get the idea I enjoyed this one, with good reason :D
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on July 19, 2019, 12:50:26 AM
Alia, did you see, Albon could not stop because something went wrong with his electrics giving his car "High Voltage" The mechanics collected his car with rubber gloves. He couldn't stop for tires because he wasn't allowed in the pits.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Monty on July 19, 2019, 02:32:45 AM
I managed to see the race on Sky just before rushing to the airport for a flight to China. I have to say I really enjoyed the race and it improved my mood which was not great due to the imminent loss of 3weeks of my life in the Chinese outback!
I think I agree with most comments already made. Hamilton was exceptional! He really does seem to get additional speed from the crowd - that fastest lap was amazing!
I can’t believe I am saying this but I feel a little sorry for Seb! He decided to ‘race’ and if he had pulled off an overtake we would have applauded him. Max did look like he was going to leave a gap but then closed it (not unreasonably) and Seb lost downforce- it really was just a racing incident.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Scott on July 19, 2019, 04:57:59 AM
Not to support Vettel - he should have clearly made sure he had enough room to brake regardless of where Max was, but the incident was very similar to when Ricciardo rear ended Max last year.  Max chopped the attempt and took the downforce away meaning DR  had no chance to brake, just like Seb, and a similar result, although Max didn’t take as much damage as the last time.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 20, 2019, 11:25:38 AM
Alia, did you see, Albon could not stop because something went wrong with his electrics giving his car "High Voltage" The mechanics collected his car with rubber gloves. He couldn't stop for tires because he wasn't allowed in the pits.

I did see. A lot of drivers would have faded spectacularly after being put in that position. Albon managed his stint really well, despite having presumably treated the first few laps of the stint as if it was going to be much shorter. This is very skilful driving, hence I'm putting him in the "heroes" category accordingly.

I don't want to tell Honda or Toro Rosso off for it because relatively minor unreliability can happen to anyone (even if this one had scary potential consequences).
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Andy B on July 20, 2019, 12:29:36 PM
You could also try www.sparksport.co.nz who stream the Sky coverage I'm assuming it'll work anywhere which I am due to find out as I'm heading away for a holiday including the Hungarian GP.


But please, please promise me one thing... ...that you will drink lots and lots of water. (Ask me how I know. The book is pending).


I live in New Zealand, that place where ozone is thin and you get burnt in 10 minutes, so Kiwi's always drink lots of water.
Title: Re: British GP Hero's & Zero's
Post by: Alianora La Canta on July 23, 2019, 01:11:30 AM
I live in New Zealand, that place where ozone is thin and you get burnt in 10 minutes, so Kiwi's always drink lots of water.

Good to hear it. You'll have a great time, then :)
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