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F1 News & Discussions => F1 History => Topic started by: Dare on August 04, 2012, 03:31:43 AM
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Not too sure of this list,I have a soft spot for Minardi,Wolf,
Shadow,and even March.Ibet John even has one for Surtees
http://www.planetsport.com/features/news/seven_f1_teams_nobody_will_remember/12-08-03 (http://www.planetsport.com/features/news/seven_f1_teams_nobody_will_remember/12-08-03)
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I strongly disagree regarding Minardi,March. Wolf and Lola. Lola? I agree their formula one record is not that good, But Lola to be forgotten from motorsports?
Fernando Alonso was the driver who had been mentored in Minardi before becoming the world championship. And many agrees that famous win of Sebastian Vettel in Monza was almost a win for Minardi in disguise in their home turf. Minardi fans tried a failed petition to save the name, before the re-badge of Torro Rosso. That is not a sign of a team among the forgotten ones.
Perhaps the writer could not see what Minardi meant to Formula one, a team where the money matter the last, and enthusiasm, desire to compete in formula one was there upmost priority. Having particiapated in the formula one for 20 years without any big manufacturer back-up say itself the teams philosophy. Minardi may not be the team writer remembers, but for people like me, they will remain in our memories forever.
I could go on with other teams as well, but instead I am quoting one of the readers post from that article :
There is still time to do the only decent thing which is to remove the article from your site and save the poor 18 yr. old intern that wrote it further embarrassment.
It is OK, we all make mistakes, it is now time to save what there is to be saved.
Learn from it and take heart in the fact that clearly some of your readers are knowledgeable fans
I am leaving the rest for our more knowledgeable members to contribute...
But thanks Dare for the post, haven't found such a thing to bash for a long time.. :good:
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Minardi was one of the best loved teams in the history of the sport. It was long the nursery of future champions.
Surtees, Wolf and Shadow were also noble efforts. How about some more recent teams like Prost, Spyker and Midland?
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How about some more recent teams like Prost, Spyker and Midland?
Don't forget BAR
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What about Toyota? Massive money, zero wins.
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I think the writer made a typo error and and meant '7 Teams time forgot' ;)
Even Zakspeed and Lola deserve to be remembered, :D but they've got a bloody cheek trying to dismiss Surtees, Shadow, Wolf et al, no proper F1 writer could be taken seriously for suggesting those teams were not worthy. :nono: >:(
If we have to talk teams not fit for F1; try, Andrea Modena, Coloni, EuroBrun, Life, & Token. :D The whole lot probably managed to actually race just under a dozen times - not individualy but between the lot of them, from 191 entries. :swoon: And we sometimes think the current non score three are pants. :DD
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I would have said USF1, but they never really existed, did they?
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Can somebody remember the name Super Aguri? I always questioned their reason to be a formula one team. Did they wanted a true Japanese team to be represented in the grid?
What are the chances Marussia, Caterham and HRT will join them? Because to me they are just driving a 300 kmph billboard and nothing else. I don't ask them to be winner, but every now and then produce some heroics, when the rain effects the race, have something of your sleeves and show it to the world. The best possible example could be Sauber, they have re-established a team from the ruin left by a big manufacturer, (Yeah, they does have a legend named Peter Sauber). But their inspirational performance this season, does denote the fact their eagerness for the sports. Now that's what makes teams memorable.
Moss didn't make to be a WDC, yet among the greatest he will always be remembered...
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I would have said USF1, but they never really existed, did they?
What ever happened to Peter Windsor? He did an absolutely HORRIBLE podcast for a while after the USF1 still-birth, but I haven't heard or seen of him since.
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Peter Windsor currently makes regular webcasts for SmibsTV under the title 'The Flying Lap'. Most of them are available on Youtube, he's up to about #78 now, they last about an hour each episode.
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Yeah, that's the name of it...I couldn't manage to sit through one. I even made a couple more attempts at later webcasts, but still couldn't stand it.
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Super Arguri made the fatal mistake of beating Honda
They should be in a teams that got shafted article
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I remember Super Aguri very well. They are still an all-time favorite of mine. As Dare said, they took Honda's year-old cast offs and beat the factory team, on a shoestring budget. That's why Honda pulled the rug out from under them.
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To be fair Cos a lot, probably the major part, of Super A's budget was underwritten and indeed written off by Honda. I'm sure it cost them a pretty penny over the years the team existed. A bit galling when a team you are helping keep alive then uses the machinery you have given them to make you look foolish, add that to the vast sums Honda poured into their main team and it became obvious something had to give.
In that era of shared chassis, well re-using cast off last years chassis by both Aguri and the Torro Rosso outfits, wasn't it a shared chassis that took Seb to his first win in the STR around that time? Obviously drinks manufacturers have no credibility issues over the junior outfit showing them up. :D
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I just think that if Honda has given Aguri-san anything close to the budget that they wasted on the factory team, he'd have given them wins and maybe even a shot at a WCC.
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I just think that if Honda has given Aguri-san anything close to the budget that they wasted on the factory team, he'd have given them wins and maybe even a shot at a WCC.
I really think you have rose tinted horn rims on Cos, Super A only scored 4 championship points in their entire 3 year existence, and the chassis/engine they used to get those 4 points in 07 was the 06 Honda that scored 86 points and got them fourth place in the WCC. Sure in 07 it seemed Aguri had the upper hand, but in reality even with shed loads of money they would only realisticaly have got into mid-field, all the big boys had moved up a notch on the 06 chassis.
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I just think that if Honda has given Aguri-san anything close to the budget that they wasted on the factory team, he'd have given them wins and maybe even a shot at a WCC.
I really think you have rose tinted horn rims on Cos, Super A only scored 4 championship points in their entire 3 year existence, and the chassis/engine they used to get those 4 points in 07 was the 06 Honda that scored 86 points and got them fourth place in the WCC. Sure in 07 it seemed Aguri had the upper hand, but in reality even with shed loads of money they would only realisticaly have got into mid-field, all the big boys had moved up a notch on the 06 chassis.
I don'tknow about Cos but you just broke my
red tinted glasses.Oh well back to the
drawing board
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Honda's investment could have brought them the result, only if they were a bit patient. They abandoned a team, and a genius named Ross Brawn, named it Brawn GP, and almost from the verge of extinction it becomes the world constructor champion, following year engulfed by Mercedes. Only if Honda stayed a bit longer.
For Super Aguri, I always felt they were tremendously lacking budget, and it showed them in their racing performance. I am not questioning their spirit, but I always thought they were not well prepared and that really dented their credibility.
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The philosophy in Japan is to minimize the individual and maximize the committee mentality. Honda could not convince themselves that Aguri-san was better than a team of engineers.
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The philosophy in Japan is to minimize the individual and maximize the committee mentality. Honda could not convince themselves that Aguri-san was better than a team of engineers.
That's why the team would never have done well under Honda. Toyota had the same problem. Given proper funding, Super Aguri could have been what Braun later became.
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The philosophy in Japan is to minimize the individual and maximize the committee mentality. Honda could not convince themselves that Aguri-san was better than a team of engineers.
Well said Lonny, when Honda was making engines they really nailed it. specially with McLaren, but it comes down to running a team, they fell short, somehow, in some strange manner..