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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Mitch14 on June 30, 2008, 04:03:08 PM
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massa has won 3 races to raikkonen's 2 and has more points but does this mean that he's beating Raikkonen or is Raikkonen just having bad luck especially in france and australia which is letting massa capatilize on his misfortune
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I think in the end Raikkonen will come out ahead. Massa only won in France because of Kimi's car problems and of course Lewis assisted Massa in Canada. Altough it may not look like it now I think that the title will be between Kimi and Lewis. They have both found unusual ways of not scoring points recently but that is temporary. Massa couldn't beat Kimi last year when he knew the team, he knew the car and he had Michael Schumacher operating him by remote control. There is no way he can beat him over a season from an even start even if Kimi has managed to lose the advantage given to him by Massa's two DNFs at the start of the season.
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you're right i think it will be between raikkonen and hamilton but don't rule out massa as he can surprise people especially with the pole in monaco where he said he hated the track
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I doubt Massa could take it to the end of the season without self-destructing.
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Massa is good and he is definately taking the fight to Kimi. However there are a lot of races left, so I am expecting Kimi to prevail.
Lewis is on a steep learning curve and expect him to make more mistakes as he goes on. I wouldn't be surprised if he lost it towards the end of the mid season.
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Hamilton claims his confidence is still the same but thats rubbish. after a pit lane incident and a drive through penalty he won't be the same for a while
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Kimi is streets ahead of Massa .............. in everything where F1 is concerned.
He'll win the championship again. He is the best there is.
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Raikkonen is one of the best drivers ever in formula 1. the only people who were better than him were Senna,Prost,Schumacher(Michael), Fangio and Clark
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And the gatepost that wins on personality. :DD
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Raikkonen is so much better its unbealiveable
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Its a Pity Kimi has only one WDC. He was robbed of atleast another two due to the unreliability of Mclaren.
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i completely agree although 2003 was only one mechancical failure but it still cost him the title
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Well, FM is far better than a lot of people rate him, especially in qualifying, but IMO KR has wearied of F1 and is not as hungry as he once was.
He may retire next year as some rumours are saying.
Still has oodles of more talent than most of the others though and driving a car as good as the 2008 FERRARI must surely be one helluva bonus.
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Kimi is streets ahead of Massa .............. in everything where F1 is concerned.
He'll win the championship again. He is the best there is.
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Steady on jb - KR is a huge driving talent but has not got a clue in handling press conferences, people and his contracted F1 PR responsibilities etc.
In fact I have seen more 'engagement' from old moss-covered brick walls!
Comes across to me as an "I-am-the-star" arrogant p***k.
His public persona is so b pathetic Felipe easily wipes the floor with him on that score.
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its true that raikkonen dosen't show emotion in the press conferance but he does all his work on the race track
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I think Felipe is closing the gap to Kimi and seems to get better season by season.
Sure Kimi has a special talent but sometimes a little less talent and a whole lot of listening, absorbing, trying out, learning, correcting and then re-doing gets drivers to WDCs.
I guess you call it learning from experience, yours and others. Massa fits this category where as Kimi fits the strained genius "I know what I'm doing class". If Kimi was more receptive and with his natural talent he would have more than one WDC.
IMO Kimi has to often driven his machinery past the limit, you don't get points that way and after all points make prizes. I can't recall a time when Kimi nursed a car home before France this year, perhaps he has, but we can all recall plenty of Schuie's sick cars crossing the line.
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driving past the limit can't cost you a race but if you don't have an accident then you are going to do very well and thats what raikkonen does when luck is on his side
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raikkonen's well known for pushing his car and he rarly makes mistakes
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Hey John, I think there was a big hiccup in your comment about Massa - He was driving pathetically yesterday. Obviously he is a driver who can't cope without traction control. Or he needs a rear wing the size of a barn door.
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I remember the slagging Prost got for making 7 pit stops to Senna's 4 at Donington in 93 but at least he kept it pointing in the right direction. I couldn't keep up with Massa's spins as I could not figure out whether I was seeing the replay of the last one or if it was yet another. I counted 5 for certain. Given that his car was rubbish in quali I assumed he had a wet set up but apparently not. The car didn't look great but he has to learn to minimise the damage. 2 or 3 spins would be forgiveable in that car in those conditions but 5 or more is pushing it.
Is Massa beating Raikkonen?
No way, no how, never.
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good one scottyD thats probaly right he does need a rear wing that big, as he is crap.
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what are you on about steven roy, of course raikkonen is beating massa what racing are you watching, obviously not the one the rest of us are
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For the record, Massa spun five times at the British Grand Prix. The only time he has matched this feat was at the British Grand Prix in 2002 - there must be something about the Northamptionshire track that does for his sense of direction.
Mind you, Raikkonen spun twice. Only Heidfeld, Alonso, Rosberg and Barrichello did not spin or leave the track in a major way all race.
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yeah but barrichello is expieranced
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My point is that the ones who didn't spin or go off-track were very much the exception to the rule. Also, one of the four (Rosberg) crashed into a Toyota and lost half his front wing, so his copybook was also blotted. At least his error had originality...
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yeah its like monaco where something like 6 front wings were broken so ts very original
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Still, half a wing? Isn't it usually the whole wing that falls off?
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last time i checked yeah but nothing's surprising in f1 these days
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IS MASSA BEATING RAIKKONEN is the question here.
The answer is YES - 5 - 2. Massa spun 5 times yesterday to Kimi's 2.
On a different tack, I felt sorry for poor Kubica. Massa kept throwing his car everywhere and still managed to keep it going, yet poor Robert went off once and got caught out.
I have to add that Lewis Hamilton certainly redeemed himself.
Is it the sort of boost he needed?
I'm surprised the FIA didn't find anything to disqualify him or penalise him with. They're slacking. Or is it simply that they were feeling sympathetic to the British crowd at home? ;)
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how can he be beating him if he spun more times :fool:
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That was a joke Mitch :fool:
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It's the "most spins" contest. I made the comment to Dad during the race that it resembled a ballet practise session out there...
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maybe massa should consider that as a new career instead of racing a ballet dancer
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Well... ...Felipe doesn't usually spin that much, and he is joint-leader of the Driver's championship...
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well he won't be if it rains for the rest of the season
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But usually it's dry for more races than it's wet...
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thats true but at monaco canada britian they have all been damp
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On the face of it Kimi is more talented than Felippe that was my point earlier in this thread, the real difference is Massa is developing, the Brit GP was a blip, and I believe he is giving Kimi a run for the money in general.
I am pretty sure Ferrari took a wrong turn with their car set ups at Silverstone, even Kimi was power sliding in the dry but they dialled it out for him it seems. However Massa, perhaps because of his shunt, still seemed to have a major handling problem even in the dry.
Neither of the Ferrari drivers covered themselves in glory at Silverstone so I stick to my guns and say by hard work, not by natural talent, Massa is edging past Kimi this season. The Big question is can Raikkanon respond?
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Kimi is not my favourite driver but you can never count him out, look at last season