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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Steven Roy on July 24, 2008, 11:02:42 AM
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http://uk.news.yahoo.com/skynews/20080724/tuk-mosley-wins-s-m-privacy-case-45dbed5.html
Max won his case. Ther will be no limits to his vengeance now.
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Lets just hope one rebounds and gets him then
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I saw about as much of that video as some of you did - about a minute and a half, which did not conclusively have a Nazi theme. Ok, one girl was wearing a black leather jacket, but that doesn't mean much, and another one got dressed in a striped prison uniform which to me only says 'prison', not Nazi.
Nonetheless, I was convinced Max would lose the case because I figured if there were supposedly 5 hours of this recording, then there must be proof of the Nazi theme somewhere in there. But now I think I was wrong. I think the NOTW guys are a bunch of morons. Because if they were so stupid as to not watch the whole thing and pay attention, then they can be nothing BUT morons. If there wasn't some sort of proof on the tape, why the heck did they bother to mention any sort of Nazi connotations? Max would have been as badly humilated and publicly shamed if they had just left it as some simple S & M, and it would have cost less.
That said, I am still ashamed for Max that he hasn't just stepped down (and for the FIA for not giving him the boot ) - no matter what the outcome of this trial, it still does not make a difference to the Rest Of The World, who had the pleasure (or displeasure) of watching Max get his tush whipped. There is no alternative but to step down. He just doesn't know it.
The man has no shame, so why would he care about invasion of privacy?
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And now the revenge starts. And guess which engine is first in line to get scrutinised by the FIA.
The engine in Hamilton's Macca with which he totally demolished everyone at Hockenheim last Sunday has been sealed and is to be checked over by the FIA.
Just a routine thing you understand. ;)
I did say after Silverstone that I wondered how the FIA did not find something to get at Macca for. Well perhaps they were waiting to make it a double. I wouldn't put disqualifying Hami from both British and German points past them, if they could as much as put a finger on the minutest item.
Time will tell. Now of course Max stromps along again with his chin up, having won the court case, but nothing has really changed. We still all think of him as a perverted arse hole.
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Of course he won this case as it was a blatant, gross and cynical abuse and invasion of his privacy and please see Mr. Justice EADY's ruling which I have highlighted below.
As for the reported comments of the disgruntled and disgraced NOTW editor, [the media was] "less free today after another judgment based on privacy laws emanating from Europe. The result is that our media are being strangled by stealth.", if I was the judge of this case I would quickly have him before me on a "contempt of court" charge and he would lose that case as well!
What an arrogant b****rd he really is! The judgement in effect underlines the NOTW failed in their ethical, moral and LEGAL duty to uphold the law(s) relating to privacy and he comes out with this corporate spin. Definitely grounds for a contempt of the court charge - throw the lot of 'em in jail and bankrupt 'em as well.
To also claim "That is why the News of the World will remain committed to fighting for (readers') right to know." beggars all belief and flies in the face of the Justice's specific ruling that "....there was no public interest or other justification for the clandestine recording, for the publication of the resulting information and still photographs, or for the placing of the video extracts on the News of the World website all of this on a massive scale.".
Once again the NOTW has been proven to be a muckraker of salacious and offensive content and to say otherwise should be seen as just another cynical ploy so typical of them. I have nothing but the utmost contempt for this disgusting publication and regret they were not hit with staggering "exemplary damages".
Thankfully it is now over and John Bull's post about the McLAREN engine of lewis HAMILTON's winning car being sealed for FIA inspection is worrying to say the least.
No wonder a few people consider FIA stands for FERRARI's INTERNAL or INFERNAL AGENTS.
"His win could have major implications for the British media and the country's privacy laws.
During the trial, Mosley argued that neither he nor the prostitutes had broken any laws during the orgy, that each had been a consenting participant and that the newspaper's sting was a gross invasion of his privacy.
Justice Eady said because there was no evidence that Mosley had imitated the behaviour of Nazis, there was no justification for the newspaper to print its claims or publish on the internet a video of the orgy.
"There was bondage, beating and domination which seem to be typical of S and M behaviour," the judge said.
"But there was no public interest or other justification for the clandestine recording, for the publication of the resulting information and still photographs, or for the placing of the video extracts on the News of the World website all of this on a massive scale.
"Of course, I accept that such behaviour is viewed by some people with distaste and moral disapproval, but in the light of modern rights-based jurisprudence that does not provide any justification for the intrusion on the personal privacy of the claimant.
"No amount of damages can fully compensate Mr Mosley for the damage done.
"He is hardly exaggerating when he says his life was ruined."
However, Justice Eady decided not to make an unprecedented award of punitive exemplary damages that Mosley had sought in an attempt to stop newspapers publishing similar stories.
News of the World editor Colin Myler, who during the seven-day trial argued there was a legitimate public interest in publishing the story, said the newspaper was pleased at the lack of punitive damages.
However, he warned that the media was "less free today after another judgment based on privacy laws emanating from Europe".
"The result is that our media are being strangled by stealth.
"That is why the News of the World will remain committed to fighting for (readers') right to know."
http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/4821937/mosley-wins-nazi-sadomasochism-case (http://au.news.yahoo.com/a/-/mp/4821937/mosley-wins-nazi-sadomasochism-case)
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£60,000 ? NOTW got whipped with a wet noodle, not the spiked leather one that Max wanted to be used. They likely made many times more with the splash of publicity and increased readership.
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Even the $400,000 legal fee that the NotW will also be paying won't cancel out the profit most likely made - the scandal has been going on long enough for some to have formed a habit of automatically buying NotW on a Sunday, which is really all that it wants from this.
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And now the revenge starts. And guess which engine is first in line to get scrutinised by the FIA.
The engine in Hamilton's Macca with which he totally demolished everyone at Hockenheim last Sunday has been sealed and is to be checked over by the FIA.
Just a routine thing you understand. ;)
I did say after Silverstone that I wondered how the FIA did not find something to get at Macca for. Well perhaps they were waiting to make it a double. I wouldn't put disqualifying Hami from both British and German points past them, if they could as much as put a finger on the minutest item.
You really have to wonder sometime. Do these people really think the general public are so gullible? How can anyone possibly believe that after Lewis blew away the field the last two races that this engine test is 'random'???? It's pathetic. I'm sure there was a call placed from Maranello to Paris that something might be amiss in the Mclaren engine and could they have a look at it? Max might not have even waited for the call.
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£60,000 ? NOTW got whipped with a wet noodle, not the spiked leather one that Max wanted to be used. They likely made many times more with the splash of publicity and increased readership.
The ruling is one helluva setback for what little credibility this gutter rag has SD plus they have to pay ole max's legal costs believed to be around 450k Sterling or in my AUD currency about a million bucks mate - and their own of course.
I would like to be their lawyers mind you as plenty of lucrative work keeps coming in.
However, you are right SD, just a drop in the ocean of the cash they made from the story and that is the sole motivation they do it.
Fighting for the people's right to know is so false and hypocritical it is pathetic.
I am delighted this ruling stuck another boot into their collective 'backsides".
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I found the following on F1 Fanatic. I think it is an interesting interpretation of the judgement.
Max has suffered undue distress due to exposure of his private life. Surely an enthusiast for S&M activities would pay good money for this kind of treatment. Should News International be billing him?
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You really have to wonder sometime. Do these people really think the general public are so gullible? How can anyone possibly believe that after Lewis blew away the field the last two races that this engine test is 'random'???? It's pathetic. I'm sure there was a call placed from Maranello to Paris that something might be amiss in the Mclaren engine and could they have a look at it? Max might not have even waited for the call.
yeah SD, I am with you and JB on this one mate and I read these so-called 'random tests' have been delayed this year to enable tougher regs to be drafted and used.
FERRARI always appeal and complain when they are losing these days and the FIA seems only to willing to quickly accede to their complaints.
What's the odds they will find something and as JB suggests reverse the last two results where lewis so supremely and easily kicked FERRARI's butt?
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They will probably decide that the cylinder head bolts were inspired by Ferrari's design.
Even if McLaren had decided to run a bent engine they would have told Lewis to win by the minimum margin. The mere fact that he has dominated as he has suggests that the team are convinced the car is 100% legit.
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I just assumed that Max won because Mr. Justice EADY was the other German with a mask and whip! :yahoo:
As I have said. I didn't care who won. Max and the NOTW are as bad as each other and the money comes from people that buy the NOTW which excludes me!
I still feel the guy has let down everyone in the sport (representing the sport to religious countries, etc.) and the sooner he slinks away to his depraved private existance the better.
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Whilst agreeing that NOTW is a rag and hardly worth the paper it's printed on, I do think the judge has been a little illogical. There is a clear admission that the theme of the orgy was "prison". Madame E or whatever her name is has now said that the German language was used because it turns Max on. So we are talking now about a specifically German prison. Is Max saying that examination of genitals for lice is routine in the German prison system? That it is routine for prisoners to be whipped and to require more of ze punishment? I think the German prison authorities might take exception to that.
You can't have it both ways. Yes, you can say that the uniforms used were intended to present a prison theme but there are additional factors that go beyond to a specifically Nazi aspect. I think it was quite legitimate for NOTW to have concluded that the theme was Nazi therefore. In fact, I find it impossible to believe that anyone could watch the video and not have thoughts of Nazi concentration camps creep into his mind. So the possibility that there was an intended Nazi theme remains and the judge is wrong to say that there definitely wasn't. There may have been and NOTW should not be punished for being of the opinion that there was.
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So if it walks like a duck(maybe that should be goose :stop:) and quacks like a duck it doesn't have to wear a swastika armband to be a Nazi.
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Basically, I'm saying that the Nazi theme is not proven either way, regardless of the judge's ruling. The lice examination was not addressed, for instance, and I would have thought that was one of the most telling pointers to the real nature of the event.
Interestingly, I see that, amidst the reports of Max's further suits against NOTW, there is mention of some deleted emails. Now, if Max were running this show, I have no doubt that computer experts would be burrowing into his computer to retrieve those emails.
Funny how emails keep cropping up in these Max cases...
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I wonder if this will offer an opportunity for the hitherto-little-used e-mail surveillance laws to be used? The UK's RIPA (http://security.homeoffice.gov.uk/ripa/about-ripa/) and French law (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4552164.stm) requires all email to be monitored and records kept. Since this incident happened less than two years ago and concerns a significant crime (certainly more significant than the school place application surveillance by Dorset Council (http://www.guardian.co.uk/society/2008/apr/11/localgovernment.ukcrime)!), then the court could force whichever ISP holds the FIA's e-mail accounts to release details to the court. From a professional point of view, I find the possibility interesting.
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So if it walks like a duck(maybe that should be goose :stop:) and quacks like a duck it doesn't have to wear a swastika armband to be a Nazi.
Steady on mate Max may still be in a litigious mood. I wonder if the wiz has got 60k never mind the legal costs.
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I just assumed that Max won because Mr. Justice EADY was the other German with a mask and whip! :yahoo:
As I have said. I didn't care who won. Max and the NOTW are as bad as each other and the money comes from people that buy the NOTW which excludes me!
I still feel the guy has let down everyone in the sport (representing the sport to religious countries, etc.) and the sooner he slinks away to his depraved private existance the better.
I couldn't have put it better myself. ;)
Interesting that he is taking BILD to court too, presumably in Germany. I wonder if the German judge too is not going to think the whole stinking episode has Nazi conotations.
I'm looking forward to that one.
I also have to agree with my friend Chammy. When I first watched the video my first impression was of a Nazi camp with jews. Looking at it again only strenghtens this opinion.
Was Judge Eade or whatever his name is, Max's friend? :'(
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I think Max should have been judged by his own standard rather than those of civil law. This was the man who wanted Lewis and Fernando disqualified from last year's championship because he suspected they were complicit.
I just realised having seen it back that the 'stop' smiley could have other connotations in this case. :stop:
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You are right Steven, unfortunately a NOTW editor or journo could not resist over egging the pudding with the Nazi angle so Max gets some money and worse than that he now feels he has the higher moral ground. Nevermind that this higher ground is still well below swamp level.
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Max gets some money and worse than that he now feels he has the higher moral ground. Nevermind that this higher ground is still well below swamp level.
I've no doubt he thinks so, but does everybody else. Can he walk with his head held high in an F1 paddock, or anywhere for that matter, without people whispering "There's our pervert President".
And even worse, how does the FIA feel about having a pervert as a president, because private or no private there is no arguing that Max Mosley, president of the FIA was filmed having an orgy with hoares. Not the sort of behaviour one expects of a president of an International Federation, is it?
If he really respected the FIA and all it stands for, he would have resigned before the whole ugly saga had time to escalate to the hights it has now reached. And it would probably all have been forgotten by now, and we'd all be talking about shocking F1 cars and progress instead.
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I was listening to Any Questions? yesterday, and the conclusion from the audience seemed to be that everyone made a fool of themselves, Max was entrapped without the necessary justification of hypocrisy (though had they known more about Max's words and actions prior to this incident, I don't think they'd have concluded this) and the News of the World couldn't make a good case (for anything) if its existence depended on it.
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I think Max should have been judged by his own standard rather than those of civil law. This was the man who wanted Lewis and Fernando disqualified from last year's championship because he suspected they were complicit.
I just realised having seen it back that the 'stop' smiley could have other connotations in this case. :stop:
you make a very salient point SR - max's hypocrisy is very clear.
Also the treatment meted out to McLAREN is simply an abuse of power especially as RENAULT's word was accepted and the team cleared when harder evidence of them using technical info from McLAREN was ignored.
Some people suggest McLAREN was fined as max knew they HAD to be in F1 whereas RENAULT as a car maker made no secret they would quit F1 if they were penalised.
You will know I always thought max would win his case simply because the NOTW broke the law(s) re publishing etc [as subsequently ruled by Mr Justice Eady].
What I am intrigued to know though is who put them up to it? Who wanted the King so dead to put up the money for the sting?
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What I am intrigued to know though is who put them up to it? Who wanted the King so dead to put up the money for the sting?
I am sure the whole F1 community including all of us would like to know that, but perhaps it's better not disclosed unless it happens to be Ferrari. Any other outcome could well destroy one or several teams if they are even remotely linked to it.
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I think it was Bernie. :tease:
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Madame E and her ex-MI5 husband have admitted it was them and them alone. They recognized Max as a high enough profile character as to have his little fetish of interest to the press (rightly so), so they could earn some cash selling the story.
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Madame E and her ex-MI5 husband have admitted it was them and them alone. They recognized Max as a high enough profile character as to have his little fetish of interest to the press (rightly so), so they could earn some cash selling the story.
and NOTW only paid them half of the agreed 25,000 pounds which I read is their normal practice - what a sleazy outfit! - so I wonder if that was part of Madame E's backtracking from giving evidence in support of NOTW.
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If that was a money-making venture, it sure backfired. Husband lost highly-paid job and won't be able to take another high-security job for the foreseeable future and wife only got six months' (possibly less) worth of his wage and quite possibly will see a reduction in her business as well.