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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: J.Clark on September 30, 2014, 04:01:50 PM
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This is a race I am usually excitedly awaiting. It has provided some interesting racing over the years.
It was built as a test circuit for Honda back in 1962, which also makes it one of the oldest circuits on the tour. The first time Formula 1 raced there however, did not come until 1987. It has had upgrades over the years and has only been "modified" three times in its 54 years. In 1983, a chicane was added before the last turn to slow the cars for the pit straight, and Degner (turn #8) was modified to make it two turns, or in reality perhaps, a double-apex curve. 2002 saw minor modifications in that the chicane was changes slightly and the esses were straighten a bit to make them faster (don't see that often).
There is some fairly significant elevation change in the climb from the hairpin up to Spoon curve. This is where the Mercedes cars should truly outperform the others based upon previous races.
There will still be only one DRS zone. It remains on the front straight, but frankly speaking, I would like to see it changed to the run down to 130R - perhaps too dangerous?
The track is 5.8km so about 3.6 miles. It is also unique in that the layout is a figure eight, not clockwise, nor anti-clockwise.
The lap record was set by a V-10 McLaren in the hands of Kimi at 1:31.540.
Race winners on the current grid: Vettel (4), Button, Alonso, Kimi, and while Hamilton won the Japanese GP, it was at Fuji, where Alonso also won a race.
Looking at the current situation and relative pace of the cars, I give Alonso a chance at a win here. Of course, I know that Mercedes and Williams will both be very actively trying to do likewise with either of their drivers.
Currently, rain is forecast for Friday and Sunday. One of the most exciting wet race finishes I can recall was the Japanese GP in 200? between Massa and Kubica: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qixrc49NQHI It was in Fuji, but . . .
In any case, FFP in two days (for me any way since it be Thursday night here).
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One of the better circuits of the year. I'm so glad that the race stayed there instead of alternating with Fuji.
I'll be away at a state Amvets conference this week-end. I hope I have a TV and/or internet feed of the race. I'll try to be in the Chat Room if at all possible.
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'Pole Position' was one of the first ever racing games I played. Suzuka was included as the 'expert track' (an oval for easy, and Brands Hatch as the medium difficultly). Always had a bit of a soft spot for this track as a result.
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That was a fun clip. Hamilton complaining that the race should be stopped while Massa and Kubica are dicing it out as if the track is dry (and just exactly WHY should I rate Hamilton in my top 3 again? :crazy: :crazy: ) Great fun to watch JC. Thanks.
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THAR SHE BLOWS...Typhoon warning coming to Suzuka?
Looks like it's going to be a wet one.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/116120
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Yep :crazy:
Here is the onboard from Massa in the epic battle of 2007.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1_nRMAzHRGA
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Friday practices are in - got it done just before rain got heavy (or so it appeared would be the case).
1. Hamilton Mercedes 1m 35.078s
2. Rosberg Mercedes 1m 35.318s
3 Bottas Williams 1m 36.279s
4. Button McLaren 1m 36.409s
5. Vettel Red Bull 1m 36.436s
6. Raikkonen Ferrari 1m 36.529s
7. Alonso Ferrari 1m 36.637s
8. Magnussen McLaren 1m 36.714s
9. Kvyat Toro Rosso 1m 36.943s
10. Ricciardo Red Bull 1m 37.186s
11. Vergne Toro Rosso 1m 37.219s
12. Hulkenberg Force India 1m 37.504s
13. Grosjean Lotus 1m 37.563s
14. Massa Williams 1m 37.700s
15. Perez Force India 1m 37.786s
16. Maldonado Lotus 1m 37.798s
17. Sutil Sauber 1m 38.010s
18. Gutierrez Sauber-Ferrari 1m 38.365s
19. Ericsson Caterham 1m 39.069s
20. Bianchi Marussia 1m 39.306s
21. Chilton Marussia 1m 39.333s
22. Kobayashi Caterham 1m 42.760s
It looks like Mercs have a second in hand again. They also enjoyed a pretty much glitch-free day.
Kimi was quicker in the end, over Alonso, which was pleasant to see.
Williams looks to be in good form - not sure what was going on with Massa though.
Button, who has said that this is his favorite circuit, was complaining a lot about handling; however, since he was right behind the Williams at the end of the day, I am not sure how much one can put into his issues. ;)
The second session had two red flags, one right at the end, which didn't appear to come while anyone was on a hot lap.
Three or four teams had problems today that limited their laps.
Typhoon is moving in and so there is a question about qualifying and racing. There is even something of a rumor of the race being run on Saturday afternoon, or Sunday morning. The reason is that if the storm hits, the airports could be shut down for a day or two. This would create huge problems for the Russian GP only a week later because of the logistics of moving the circus thousands of miles away and getting the "tents" erected in time for it all.
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The threat from the typhoon disrupting the race looks to be receding. It could cause problems with packing up and flying to Russia though.
Suzuka is a quality race track. Sanitised in places (e.g. turn one and Spoon), but still very challenging in others (Degner 1 and 2, and the last corner in particular). Lots of accidents today in practice two. There often are at this track. This is how it should be. If you go off the track, there should be a penalty.
Mercedes should have another 1-2, reliability permitting. It will be interesting to see who will finish third though. Williams look strong. Red Bull will be fast as well. I'm not whether Ferrari or McLaren will have the pace to beat either of them. I'm looking forward to finding out.
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Holy crap :o Vettel, Alonso . . .
I am more than certain that this will be a topic of its own so I will not continue that here.
Qualifying results:
1. Rosberg Mercedes 1m 32.506s
2. Hamilton Mercedes 1m 32.703s
3. Bottas Williams 1m 33.128s
4. Massa Williams 1m 33.527s
5. Alonso Ferrari 1m 33.740s
6. Ricciardo Red Bull 1m 34.075s
7. Magnussen McLaren 1m 34.242s
8. Button McLaren 1m 34.317s
9. Vettel Red Bull 1m 34.432s
10. Raikkonen Ferrari 1m 34.548s
11. Vergne Toro Rosso 1m 34.984s
12. Perez Force India 1m 35.089s
13. Kvyat Toro Rosso 1m 35.092s
14. Hulkenberg Force India 1m 35.099s
15. Sutil Sauber 1m 35.364s
16. Gutierrez Sauber 1m 35.681s
17. Maldonado Lotus 1m 35.917s
18. Grosjean Lotus 1m 35.984s
19. Ericsson Caterham 1m 36.813s
20. Bianchi Marussia 1m 36.943s
21. Kobayashi Caterham 1m 37.015s
22. Chilton Marussia 1m 37.481s
The results were somewhat predictable; although, Williams seems to once again have found a bit extra that was not totally apparent during the practice sessions. They are becoming known somewhat for sandbagging. It does appear that a gap from P-10 back will make it fairly unlikely that anyone outside the top ten will be able to claw their way into the points, barring some issue with those inside the top ten. There should however be some good racing between the Ferrari, McLaren, and Red Bull cars.
Rain could of course change things, and rain looks more than likely. In fact, the rain that is due to begin soon there in Japan could even impact the race in Russia, just one week away.
There was some discussion; however, not too awfully much, about some of the teams such as Force-India, Sauber, Toro-Roso and even McLaren running a qualifying set up that is adjusted for the predicted rain, thus gaining advantage in the race.
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The article I read also said Ricciardo and Vettel are both on rain setups
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I almost forgot this little tid-bit.
David Hobbs, who is without question on top of the sport, having been in the driver's seat for a number of years, said something during one point in qualifying that I had not considered.
I guess it is probably in the rules, though I have not looked, that if the race was to be cancelled due to the typhoon, WDC and WCC points would be awarded based upon grid position.
I racked my brain searching for a memory of a race when this occurred and was unsuccessful - can't recall one. Has it ever happened, and is that what the rules state?
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I almost forgot this little tid-bit.
David Hobbs, who is without question on top of the sport, having been in the driver's seat for a number of years, said something during one point in qualifying that I had not considered.
I guess it is probably in the rules, though I have not looked, that if the race was to be cancelled due to the typhoon, WDC and WCC points would be awarded based upon grid position.
I racked my brain searching for a memory of a race when this occurred and was unsuccessful - can't recall one. Has it ever happened, and is that what the rules state?
All I know is that if a race is called before half distance, half points are awarded based on the last completed lap before the red flag.
I suppose if a race is cancelled after qualifying, the half points would be awarded based on grid positions.
I can't say that I know of a race in a major series being cancelled due to weather after qualifying. Plenty postponements in NASCAR and Indycar, but they can afford to wait a day to race. Not sure that F1 could race on Monday in Japan and make it to Russia for Thursday
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Fairly boring race.
I never like starting under the SC :nono:
There was only the slightest of interest in watching the Merc battle.
Too bad for Massa that Bottas got ahead on the pit stops since they were evenly matched it seemed otherwise.
Too bad too for Ferrari with Alonso out and Kimi not getting even a single point - that final pit stop of his was a disaster.
Sad for Sauber, not that they were on top of things exactly, but . .
I did enjoy Ricciardo's overtaking moves in the esses. Too bad Vettel got him today.
Prayers over Bianchi - sort of puts a blanket on the whole day for me. I know it is/will be discussed in other threads, but I don't know why the SC was not out before the heavy equipment.
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I hadn't even realized the race had started until I saw it was lap 2 :-[
Once things got going, I thought it had some really good moments, like the RBR's making passes where passes shouldn't be made. Really disappointed with Ferrari as well.
For me the race ended as it started, in confusion. When I saw the size of the tractor they used to go out to retrieve Sutil's car, I thought that it was a bit overkill to get a puny F1 car. I've seen much smaller crane trucks used, but maybe they aren't very practical in gravelled areas. That is not to say that the crash would have been any less severe, but really, that was a massive loader. I bet they rent those things to move the barricades around pre and post race, and double duty them for the race. I hope that's the last we see of that kind of tractor on the track.
Sutil has said the darkening skies could have been a factor...I think the skies get dark when a storm is rolling in, regardless of the time of day. Hosting the race earlier in the day would lose a huge chunk of the European audience, so if is really too late in the day, they will have to explore lighting.
I hope Bianchi is going to be OK.
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Hamilton's move on Rosberg was very good, but all in all this was a very bad event. They should have started the race earlier to avoid the bad weather and impending darkness. I've got nothing against racing in the rain, but experience of very wet Grand Prix at Suzuka (remember when Brundle's McLaren hit a marshal at the 1994 event held in similar conditions?) should have told them that bringing the start forward to avoid the worst of the weather would have been sensible.
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Hamilton's move on Rosberg was very good, but all in all this was a very bad event. They should have started the race earlier to avoid the bad weather and impending darkness. I've got nothing against racing in the rain, but experience of very wet Grand Prix at Suzuka (remember when Brundle's McLaren hit a marshal at the 1994 event held in similar conditions?) should have told them that bringing the start forward to avoid the worst of the weather would have been sensible.
We hear so much about how FOM's race fees are crippling promoters and require high ticket prices in order to recoup their investment.
My understanding is that most fans arrived via bullet train, the cost of which was included in the ticket price. Fans couldn't just get on another train, there was no other train. If they ran the race ahead of schedule, they would have to refund half the tickets.
Any chance those refunds would come out of Bernie's pockets?
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I'm sure that an earlier start time would have voided many of the international TV contracts, too. That would have come directly from Bernie's pocket.
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I'm sure that an earlier start time would have voided many of the international TV contracts, too. That would have come directly from Bernie's pocket.
Well, the way the BBC commentators were talking, it sounded like local organizers were the obstacle, not Bernie. I'm sure that when dealing with 'live' events, the contracts are very generous (in Bernie's favour) when it comes to moving times. That's the risk of covering live outdoor events.
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I still think that they could have found a way to start the race earlier. The fact is that there just wasn't enough of a will to do so between Ecclestone, the FIA, and the circuit promoter/owner. Had they wanted to change the time, they could have found ways to get fans into the circuit earlier in my opinion.
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I still think that they could have found a way to start the race earlier. The fact is that there just wasn't enough of a will to do so between Ecclestone, the FIA, and the circuit promoter/owner. Had they wanted to change the time, they could have found ways to get fans into the circuit earlier in my opinion.
Rail schedules aren't very flexible. It's not possible to run a train whenever you wish. Even if the organizers managed to convince the Japanese government that they needed an 'emergency' train schedule due to the upcoming storm, surely the people of Japan would be appalled that in a time of emergency public resources were being used to help a few playboys race their cars at a time when no one is watching.