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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Dare on October 07, 2012, 03:40:43 PM
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never saw this one coming ;)
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-mclaren-relationship-heading-downhill-for-lewis-hamilton/ (http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/f1-mclaren-relationship-heading-downhill-for-lewis-hamilton/)
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Martin is also denying a rumor that he asked Charlie if they could avoid Jenson's 5 place grid ding if they simply swapped his bad gearbox for the one in Lewis's car. ;)
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Seems standard stuff for a driver signed to a directly competing team for the next season.
I think a bigger problem for 'lippy Lew' is to take care not to pee off his race mechanics with his usual critical comments, both over the radio and in interviews. He's certainly not helped team harmony after the stunts he's pulled and comments made about his team this year.
Jens' reaction is probably more about the sulk Lewis got into during and after Spa over the runaway pole & win. No one welcomes a sore loser beaten by a team decided alternate set up, don't suppose Lippy Lew would like Jens to dis him if he got the jump with the alternate set up, the one favoured by all the other front runners. ::)
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Martin is also denying a rumor that he asked Charlie if they could avoid Jenson's 5 place grid ding if they simply swapped his bad gearbox for the one in Lewis's car. ;)
Really? Oh, that would be hilarious.
As for excluding Lewis from anything to do with the 2013 car, that seems totally reasonable. I don't think there is too much he could learn about this year's car though that Mercedes don't already know. Of course he'll probably snoop around anyhow.
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If Hamilton have not made that blunder of a set up before qualifying none of this would have appeared. I got a feeling, they are beating the bush. Of course it will be hard for Lewis to let cope up with this situations, but except for one incidents, he has been behaving quite maturely. So I hope he will remain the same (With Lewis its a hard task to ask isn't it?)
I wish McLaren had picked Jensen instead of Alonso, that would have saved both of them a lot of trouble. I also have a feeling Lewis is leaving because he lost his McLaren Sweetheart crown to Jensen. I feel sorry for Jensen to have lost his prime, trying to make a grumpy Honda fast. while he could have been chasing titles, if he was provided a competitive car. Well better late than never..
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This is like a tape stuck on 'loop' when I have to start by saying I am not a Hamilton fan but this 'Lewis bashing' is just ridiculous.
He has chosen to change teams - of course he will not be welcome at McLaren meetings talking about future stategy.
He will no longer be Button's team mate - of course Button will not assist him win the WDC and of course he will 'buddy up' with his new team mate.
All of this is true of every driver that has (or ever will in the future) move from one team to another - irrespective of if the driver choses to move or is fired and irrespective of what team the driver is about to join.
I have never seen this kind of media speculation about any other driver move but when it is Hamilton there is rubbish everywhere. Such adverse media coverage could raise the assumption:- it's 'cos he's black, init?
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You are right monty about the Lewis bashing 'loop'. Does that count for the 'loop' on Michael bashing too ? :P :tease:
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This is like a tape stuck on 'loop' when I have to start by saying I am not a Hamilton fan but this 'Lewis bashing' is just ridiculous.
He has chosen to change teams - of course he will not be welcome at McLaren meetings talking about future stategy.
He will no longer be Button's team mate - of course Button will not assist him win the WDC and of course he will 'buddy up' with his new team mate.
All of this is true of every driver that has (or ever will in the future) move from one team to another - irrespective of if the driver choses to move or is fired and irrespective of what team the driver is about to join.
I have never seen this kind of media speculation about any other driver move but when it is Hamilton there is rubbish everywhere. Such adverse media coverage could raise the assumption:- it's 'cos he's black, init?
No, it's because he's a spoiled, ungrateful, self-important, poorly managed, little prat. I don't think most people would care if he was purple. When a WDC leaves a better team for a worse team for more money, it is clear his priority has changed from winning to pocketing...IMO
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No, it's because he's a spoiled, ungrateful, self-important, poorly managed, little prat. I don't think most people would care if he was purple. When a WDC leaves a better team for a worse team for more money, it is clear his priority has changed from winning to pocketing...IMO
Don't hold back, say what you really think.....and of course you feel that to be equally true of Kimi, Alonso, Schumacher, Button,,,,,,, - all the people that moved from good teams to teams that were not performing well at the time.
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I have never seen this kind of media speculation about any other driver move but when it is Hamilton there is rubbish everywhere. Such adverse media coverage could raise the assumption:- it's 'cos he's black, init?
Is it that hyped up? I think it's a worthy newspiece. I know what you mean about the general hoo-haa in the press whenever he says or does anything, but I'm interested, what exactly is it about this article?
Hats off to Ross Brawn I say - kudos for luring him away from a great team, great car and lots of cash, for... um... lots of cash. And hats off also for the simple bravery of hiring Hamilton.
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Don't hold back, say what you really think.....and of course you feel that to be equally true of Kimi, Alonso, Schumacher, Button,,,,,,, - all the people that moved from good teams to teams that were not performing well at the time.
Not so quick Mr Monty
Kimi was fired from Ferrari - coming back to Renault was his only choice at the time. Schumi brought Brawn and more importantly Byrne, along with half the engineers from Benetton to Ferrari - it was really the brightest move he could make. Alonso was fired by Mclaren (mutually agreed to part ways - sure) because they decided to go with their boy Lewis. Button - Flavio fired him, so he HAD to move from Renault to BAR.
Not sure how getting fired is quite the same as leaving a team that is offering to extend your contract for millions of dollars.
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I think his quote about building a competitive team and car like Schumacher did at Ferrari is telling. He was obviously no longer getting from McLaren what he wanted. Merc has Brawn, a lot of good technical people who didn't really figure in this year's car, and money, at least as much as Macca. And they were willing to give up Schumacher to get him. I think he's figuring if the 2013 car isn't quite there, the 2014 car will be.
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I think his quote about building a competitive team and car like Schumacher did at Ferrari is telling. He was obviously no longer getting from McLaren what he wanted. Merc has Brawn, a lot of good technical people who didn't really figure in this year's car, and money, at least as much as Macca. And they were willing to give up Schumacher to get him. I think he's figuring if the 2013 car isn't quite there, the 2014 car will be.
Brawn is really good, but not sure he's enough. Schumacher would never have won a title at Ferrari without the whole team behind him (including Byrne) and the most gruelling testing schedule on the grid. I'm not sure what Lewis thinks he's going to bring to Mercedes to 'build'. He has no chance to test anymore than anyone else, and it sounds like he's going to be so tied up doing personal appearances for his own brand that he may have little left over for the team. :DntKnw:
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Don't hold back, say what you really think.....and of course you feel that to be equally true of Kimi, Alonso, Schumacher, Button,,,,,,, - all the people that moved from good teams to teams that were not performing well at the time.
More whinging from Mr. H. Too funny. Wonder what inspired him to check if Jenson was following him on Sunday night to begin with?
PlanetF1:
Lewis Hamilton has been forced to backtrack after accusing Jenson Button of unfollowing him on Twitter only to realise he wasn't following him to start with.
Hamilton, who is off to Mercedes next season, created a stir on Sunday night when he accused his McLaren team-mate Button of disrespecting him on the social network website.
"Just noticed @jensonbutton unfollowed, thats a shame. After 3 years as teammates, I thought we respected one another but clearly he doesn't," Hamilton said on his Twitter feed on Monday.
"Funny thing is, we are STILL teammates! All good tho, I plan on giving this team & fans all I got til I cross the finish line in brazil!!!."
An hour later, though, Hamilton was forced into a U-Turn in front of his 1.1 million followers as it turns out Button never followed him to start with.
"My bad, just found out Jenson never followed me. Don't blame him! Need to be on Twitter more," he Tweeted.
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'Need to be on Twitter more.'
No Lewis no! You need to be on Twitter LESS!
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Yes Lewis with the extra income you will get from selling your own image rights you can afford to have someone else do your tweeting. ;) Oh, and they can also do your bleating as well. :D
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I'd argue Lewis needs to pay more attention when he's on Twitter (and understand that sometimes even an unfollowing after a genuine follow may only portend a technical glitch), then he'd avoid these sorts of blunders however much or little time he was on Twitter. For that matter, paying more attention in other matters wouldn't hurt.
The whole "Lewis is moving for money" is the endpoint of a narrative that's been going on for at least 3 years now. Ever since Lewis started sulking after McLaren produced the poor 2009 car, people have been wondering why it was quite so bad. Initially there were lots of hypotheses, as you'd expect from a driver who'd attracted massive media interest since before F1. Gradually ideas were narrowed down as things like signing XIX as an overarching management team (it works for Jenson, but only because he has a day-to-day manager who understands how he thinks and isn't in it for the money) and the bad attitude continued to erupt at odd times after the 2010 and 2011 offerings proved somewhat better. When the press heard that the initial McLaren offer had been rejected on the grounds of trophies and image rights (neither of which are subjects McLaren are noted for permitting much leeway upon), that pinned the reason in the media's heads onto money - a motive for which they've always had particular contempt.
Other drivers have moved down the team competitive ladder for a variety of reasons - driver market not facilitating accustomed position (Kimi), assurance that "downward" team would be a better fit (Fernando), a desire to revitalise the team's fortunes and/or be part of the team legend (Michael to Ferrari), trusting the "downward" team will provide a good welcome back (Michael to Mercedes, and to some extent Kimi), complex contract consequences (Button to Benetton), mistaken belief "downward" team would actually be an improvement in performance (Button's attempt to go to Williams)... What they all have in common is they have some sort of sporting basis or, at least, a sense that someone else influenced the decision being made in that direction. People can't help other people's actions, and sporting considerations have always been considered acceptable reasons for moving teams, even when the considerations in question turn out to be mistakes.
There's an interesting alternative hypothesis in this week's Autosport. Basically, it suggests that what we are seeing is not due to a thirst for money on Lewis' part, but a fundamental disagreement in modus operandi for Lewis and McLaren. Lewis is not one to overrule his team, even when he thinks it's being completely stupid about something. McLaren is a team that has a lot of momentum through its systems, but requires a certain amount of direction from a driver carrying the strength of conviction to prevent system-based mistakes from being made. This was Kovalainen's error on going to McLaren (he didn't take enough control of the situation, got put on a fitness/nutrition regime not especially suited to him, and wilted until he left for Caterham). Perhaps, in different form, it may also be Lewis' (in that if he'd told McLaren what needed doing, instead of trying to convince McLaren all the time, the situation might not have fallen apart). Of course, if that's the reason, a decline in relationship between driver and team makes even more sense than usual.
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Geez Ali, I wish you would stop being so right ;)
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Ali seems to have nailed it.
I can only offer old advice to Hamilton - remember that too many Tweets make a Twat
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Ali seems to have nailed it.
I can only offer old advice to Hamilton - remember that too many Tweets make a Twat
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Ali seems to have nailed it.
I can only offer old advice to Hamilton - remember that too many Tweets make a Twat
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Just for interest's sake....
Twat is one of those words that doesn't translate well to Canadian english (can't speak for the USA) - it is actually much much worse than the way it is used in the UK.
Fanny is a word that apparently is much much worse in the UK than the way we use it in Canada.
For the record, a 'twat' in Canada is the same thing you guys call a 'fanny'. :DD :DD
In Canada a fanny is your behind - boys and girls both have them.
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In the North of England 'twat' is a fanny too Scott.
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The version of the joke I heard was "Someone who writes silly stuff on Twitter is a Twit". I believe this version is unlikely to offend anyone, except possibly Lewis.
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In the USA a twat is something in the front of a girl below a race
so it would be highly demeaning to be called a twat here,in Ky anyway
The one English slang word I like is calling someone a
w**ker[short and right to the point
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There's an even better English version of that Dare.....F**kwit
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Sorry, no intention of causing offence.
Tw*t has the same meaning in the UK but it is also accepted as deliberatly offensive way of calling someone an idiot. It just works so well when talking about excessive Tweeting.
The Canadian's acceptance of 'fanny' caused me and a few friends massive trouble when a good friend visited the UK.
We were in a pub (bar) and a gorgeous girl walked across the room wearing incredibly tight trousers (pants), so tight that there was a very visible camel-toe (I do not think this needs translating) and our dear Canadian friend expressed (loudly) "Wow, look at the fanny on that!"
One look at the size of her extremely angry boyfriend and I immediately took control of the situation.......
RUN! I shouted to my friends.
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Sorry, no intention of causing offence.
None taken...I just was pointing out some cultural differences. :D
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WTF happened to this thread??? :DD :DD :DD
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It got good Dave. :good:
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It's turned into a good old fashioned boy's swear fest, hasn't it David. :D
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WTF happened to this thread??? :DD :DD :DD
Um... ...it started applying for a retitle along the lines of:
"GPWizard users" and "the ability to stay on topic" relations heading downhill
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Now, Ali, we always stay on topic around here! Why, just look at our shirt!
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