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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: SennaMan on November 01, 2008, 12:45:52 AM
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[Just thought I would throw my 2 cents worth into the ring as I am quite ambivalent about whoever does win it.]
On the one hand, while a great admirer of felipe MASSA especially for his strongly disciplined efforts to control his inner Latin fire, I deplore his FERRARI team's despicable and underhand culture and management style.
On the other, lewis HAMILTON and McLAREN have been unfairly dealt with by the FIA and, while racing this year, have been under the "cloud" of possible penalties still being given to them for "copying" any of the FERRARI 2007 technologies into their 2008 cars.
To actually win it while operating under those conditions would be doubly sweet as it would send an umistakeable "up yours!" to max MOSLEY, the FIA itself and of course to FERRARI whose wins in 2007 I will always consider to be fraudulent and "B" grade.
However, if I was fernando ALONSO I would not resist the opportunity and temptation to line LH's McLAREN up during the BRAZIL GP and ruthlessly T-Bone him, - a la SENNA and SCHUMACHER - thereby stuffing up his 2008 WDC ambitions!
I'd do such a good job of it too that both of our cars would be unable to continue and after taking off my helmet etc would walk past LH, hugely grin and laughingly say "F***K you ya p***k" while extending my forefinger in the classic and traditional manner.
What a sweet moment for sweet FA. Even if he were to be charged with a "disrepute" charge it would be well worth it!
Mind you it may be better to claim it was just another racing incident.
And I'd make sure I was the WDC in 2009 to really stick it to them!
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Mmmmm!
Not the reasons I was expecting your obviously an Alonso fan? Dont you think he showed himself up by throwing teddy out the pram while at McLaren I had expected him to behave in a mature way which he didn't and still fails to do. I really expected him to show the new kid the way it should be done but he let me and himself down.
Anyway.
I agree with your sentiments on Ferrari they do seem to gain more assistance than anyone else although I too like Massa and would not have a problem if he were champion.
But.
Lewis is a Brit I also think he is articulate and conducts himself in a mature way for his years, he has made mistakes but its only his second season in F1. In the UK we seem to have a problem with winners and fail to support them, more so the media than the general public although they like to back the under dog, so for me its Lewis. I can see a lot of simularities with Micheal Schumacher and if McLaren give him the tools to do the job we could see some records broken in the future.
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It has to be Lewis, because at this moment he is the best driver out there. Earlier in the Season I thought Massa was the most improved driver this year, and still do, but the WDC should be about the best driver taking it not the best car.
The constuctors title is where the best car should be rewarded and that indicates at the moment that the Red devils are on top, when you consider the teams efforts to stop themselves winning races they should have romped away with it.
Nice picture it wll make if Nando does T bone Lewis, but for all his bluster Nando is always in control and will see no gain in doing it.
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Let's look at this logically.
Lewis has 5 wins, and so has Felipe.
Lewis has 7 poles to Felipe's 5.
Lewis has 7 more championship points than Felipe.
So at this stage, all things being equal Lewis looks like the more likely candidate on performance.
BUT
Ferrari say their car is by far the best car in F1.
Massa says the Ferrari is far superior to the Mc Laren.
The FIA have been doing everything in their power and lots more to screw Mc Laren.
Ferrari play to their own rules and the FIA sits there and nods approvingly.
SO
With such a lousy car,
Ferrari and Alonso doing everything to trip him up,
The FIA inventing ways of screwing him every race,
AND YET
Hamilton is still ahead.
I really don't see any need for further discussion as to who is the more deserved champion.
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I dont think anyone will be surprised when i say Lewis Hamilton. After being so close in his rookie season he deserves it this year. The FIA have done everything they can to ruin his season but hes still on the verge of becoming WDC. Plus i despise everything Ferrari so to see the smug smiles wiped off their faces will be great
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Of the two who still have a chance this year, I'd have to go with Lewis. The FIA robbed him of it last year. Besides, he's replace Ferd as the youngest ever WDC.
For next year, I'd like to see Kubica at a still-improving BMW Sauber get it.
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Ferrari say their car is by far the best car in F1.
Massa says the Ferrari is far superior to the Mc Laren.
The FIA have been doing everything in their power and lots more to screw Mc Laren.
Ferrari play to their own rules and the FIA sits there and nods approvingly.
SO
With such a lousy car,
Ferrari and Alonso doing everything to trip him up,
The FIA inventing ways of screwing him every race,
AND YET
Hamilton is still ahead.
Its pretty hard to argue with John's logic. :good:
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Of the 2 left this year I have to agree with Kimi,I don't
really care who wins it.
Next year I'd like to see a new champion.Trulli,Glock,
Rosberg,or even Kubica wouln/t make me mad
Now for the GG next year,ME
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I would love to have seen Felipe as WDC, but after all the dirt and stuff that Lewis has put up with tis season I hope Lewis wins it.
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And for the Brazilian's booing today whenever Lewis's picture came up, don't recall that in reverse at Silverstone.
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The race fans in Britain are much more sophisticated and appreciate the whole experiece, but the championship was not, and never is, on the line in the same way. This weekend in Brazil is nearly as important as the Soccer World Cup to them.
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It doesn't matter much who wins the title now, it is pretty badly tarnished.
They should just throw it open to everyone and award it to whoever throws the most money (plus a few whips and chains) toward Max and Bernie.
But I guess the question was who I would want to win the WDC, so my vote would have to go to Filipe Massa, just because he has worked so hard at developing his abilities for quite a few years... so he has seniority over Lewis (but Lewis may have more natural skill).
Conversely, I should really be supporting Mecedes-McLaren because I have a couple of aging Mercedes and they need all the help they can get. It is doubtful if I will ever get to own a Ferrari.
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And for the Brazilian's booing today whenever Lewis's picture came up, don't recall that in reverse at Silverstone.
Home team mentality...you see it everywhere - hockey, football (soccer). No real surprise, part of the fan participation...I wouldn't take it to seriously, as I'm sure Lewis didn't.
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I'd like Lewis to win it out of the two that can. If it weren't for the FIA's interference, he'd already be champion despite their interference in 2007 and for several avoidable errors. The trouble is that I don't feel that any of the four drivers with the car to be champion really deserved it because they all made too many mistakes. Kubica was the driver who drove like a champion and he was only denied because the BMw is still a bit slower than McLaren or Ferrari (though still quicker than BMW implied in their pre-season planning).
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And for the Brazilian's booing today whenever Lewis's picture came up, don't recall that in reverse at Silverstone.
Home team mentality...you see it everywhere - hockey, football (soccer). No real surprise, part of the fan participation...I wouldn't take it to seriously, as I'm sure Lewis didn't.
shucks i hate that - what about honouring the excellence of talent and respecting your opponent?
it's the age of hoons
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From the comments so far, it seems that we think the driver who has the best car and never makes a mistake because he just sets it on cruise control, such is its superiority, that most deserves to be champion. Step forward, Mickey the Shoe.
I don't see it that way. To my mind, Keke Rosberg is the epitome of a driver who truly earned his championship - not in the best car (by a long way), surrounded by drivers of supposedly greater talent, but coming through in the end because he had more determination and guts than the rest put together.
In a season where there are many hugely talented drivers and lap times are taken to the thousandths to separate drivers, it takes something to be always in contention and too quick to be counted out. If Lewis wins the WDC today, he will be a worthy champion, beyond doubt. He has been the man to beat for two years, even though he has no car advantage, and the mistakes are the result of performing at the very edge, as is required when your competitors have superior equipment. In my book, he is already champion anyway, since it is quite clear that the FIA have deducted points from him to keep Massa in contention.
And that is why Massa would not be a worthy champ. He has had the best car, the FIA on his side and still cannot win the thing properly.
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I'm no Alonzo fan, but it would have been pretty amazing if Renault had figured out their car problem 4-5 races ago, because then Alonzo could possibly have been WDC. That would have blown a few of our socks off, and he would have been more than worthy for fighting as hard as he could as long as he could.
...if only he could keep his mouth shut off track.
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From the comments so far, it seems that we think the driver who has the best car and never makes a mistake because he just sets it on cruise control, such is its superiority, that most deserves to be champion. Step forward, Mickey the Shoe.
I don't see it that way. To my mind, Keke Rosberg is the epitome of a driver who truly earned his championship - not in the best car (by a long way), surrounded by drivers of supposedly greater talent, but coming through in the end because he had more determination and guts than the rest put together.
In a season where there are many hugely talented drivers and lap times are taken to the thousandths to separate drivers, it takes something to be always in contention and too quick to be counted out. If Lewis wins the WDC today, he will be a worthy champion, beyond doubt. He has been the man to beat for two years, even though he has no car advantage, and the mistakes are the result of performing at the very edge, as is required when your competitors have superior equipment. In my book, he is already champion anyway, since it is quite clear that the FIA have deducted points from him to keep Massa in contention.
And that is why Massa would not be a worthy champ. He has had the best car, the FIA on his side and still cannot win the thing properly.
while i cannot disagree with your conclusions Chameleon, to suggest the McLAREN is somehow an inferior car is drawing a very long bow in my opinion, as it was the car to beat on many occassions
yeah, that was mainly due to LH's prodigious driving talents but all the same i bet ya many other drivers would love to have a car as good as the macca; just ask the TOYOTA and HONDA drivers and MW of RED BULL for starters!
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I'm no Alonzo fan, but it would have been pretty amazing if Renault had figured out their car problem 4-5 races ago, because then Alonzo could possibly have been WDC. That would have blown a few of our socks off, and he would have been more than worthy for fighting as hard as he could as long as he could.
...if only he could keep his mouth shut off track.
great point SD, methinks FA did bring extra motivation and expertise to the team who really could step up next year
hope he learns how essential it is to temper his public comments