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Author Topic: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?  (Read 382 times)

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On Sunday morning prior to the Azerbaijan Grand Prix the FIA appeared to be open to making some simple rule changes that would reduce porpoising. This was discussed during the driver briefing and then it was discussed in meetings of the 'Technical Advisory Committee.

However, all the proposals that have passed the review have all failed to gain a majority. It is now June and that means that eight out of ten teams are now required to make direct changes or amendments to the 2023 regulations, never mind 2022.  :swoon: The chances of that happening are nil, as all teams have their own interests.

How can the FIA even think about changing a rule to fight a symptom that can be eliminated by raising the car ride height a little.  :confused: - An across the board process may hand an advantage to teams who have clearly got it wrong.  :nono:

On the other hand in this more enlightened "Woke" era though surely it's incumbant on racing authourities to ensure that drivers are not subjected to later life complications such as befell asbestos workers or other professions?
It's been suggested that the porpoising could be as extreme as 4G to 6G on the Mercs.  |-( 

Perhaps a simple solution could be for race authourities fit sensors to either driver, car or both; when it exceeds say 3G they simply bring out the meatball flag to any car showing to excess porpoising and insist that the team concerned raise the ride height by a set figure before they can return to the track.
If the same continues; well back in pits for more ride height ad infinitum.

Not sure how this is all gonna end, anyone got any thoughts?


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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #1 on: June 12, 2022, 07:57:28 PM »
Why would the teams that got it right want to help
those {Mercedes} that didn't.
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Offline rmassart

Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #2 on: June 12, 2022, 09:19:22 PM »
Much as I prefer Lewis than Max winning, I can't see any scope for changing the rules if not all teams are suffering from the same problems. If health and safety is an issue they can ban excessive bouncing through introducing appropriate sensors measuring the bouncing. But changing the rules would be stupid, except perhaps to reduce the speed boost you get through DRS.


Offline Jericoke

Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #3 on: June 13, 2022, 03:01:32 AM »
I agree, all the teams had the same 'chance' to get the rules right/wrong.

However, this isn't just about getting the design right, it's also about adjusting to the cap.  in the past teams could spend their way out of a problem, and now they can't.  Again, the rules were sort of intended to accomplish this.

I think there is a compromise available, a form of active suspension, allow better seat cushioning.

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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #4 on: June 15, 2022, 10:26:09 AM »

I think there is a compromise available, a form of active suspension, allow better seat cushioning.

I know you are talking of a seat suspension system, however I'm pretty sure all teams will reject that as extra weight for no gain. Drivers seats presently weigh about the same as a pair of worn-out tweed trousers - or less.  :D

I rather think its car active suspension Merc are hoping for, Jeri, as they are rumoured to have a system ready to go from work during previous Regs.

Not sure other teams have either explored that concept lately, or got anything in the locker so to speak.

Active suspension is a possible answer for 23 on, but it would need to be a low cost common part solution from FIA to ensure no needless war in that area draining stretched budgets even further for teams without anything developed.   
« Last Edit: June 15, 2022, 10:37:32 AM by John S »
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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #5 on: June 16, 2022, 01:05:41 PM »
'G-force data' has now been released for the bouncing/porpoising effects at Azerbajan GP. The graph shows Mercedes team suffered much more than any other from bouncing from the start & throughout Baku race.

Remarkably, the problem grew throughout the race, making it increasingly difficult for both drivers.

Now if other teams drivers are saying it's uncomfortable to drive these new Gen cars in Baku imagine what Merc put their drivers through in that race.
Rather than bitching to the FIA, Wolff should consider himself lucky that he's not under investigation for running what looks like unsafe cars. 

« Last Edit: June 16, 2022, 01:12:32 PM by John S »
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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #6 on: June 16, 2022, 03:38:03 PM »
The obvious question is what about the Merc is so different than all the others. The only really noticeable thing is that they have much smaller sidepods than the other cars.
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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2022, 05:19:36 PM »
Think the floor is not as stiff as others, Cossie, they definitely needed the stays that FIA allowed to be fitted after testing.

Not sure though if the floor is thinner or it's just allowed to droop to seal sides better. Others seem to have added reinforced cuts outs & grooves plus extra edge stengthening material to floor as fixes for porpoising.
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Re: Should FIA amend 22/23 F1 regs to help eliminate porpoising?
« Reply #8 on: June 17, 2022, 01:56:19 PM »
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