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Title: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on March 28, 2010, 08:49:31 AM

the Aussie GP has been one of the most exciting GP I have seen in 50 years. Jenson's risky early call for new tyres on lap six makes it possible for him to win.

Perhaps the only thing making F1 boring are the plethora of "safety first" TILKE designed circuits, particularly the one at Bahrain. 
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Chris Borg on March 28, 2010, 09:04:56 AM
Well done Jenson Button.  :yahoo:
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: david1275 on March 28, 2010, 09:06:17 AM
Hear hear Sennaman.  :good:

An excellent race.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: markb on March 28, 2010, 09:11:49 AM
Congrats to Jenson, and hard luck to Lewis who drove one of his best races if not THE best, shame about the 2nd pit stop and Webber taking him off, but very good race, and more of the same for Malaysia please...
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 28, 2010, 09:14:41 AM
I was saying it was boring... ...but I'm not now!  :D
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: John S on March 28, 2010, 09:19:34 AM
Yeah SennaMan one ofthe best races I've seen in a long time. Great tyre call from Jens, plenty of overtaking, Lewis passing either side on his charge, but poor old Mark - just what does he have to do to get a top result in his home race, seems harsh to fault him for his over enthusiasm.



 
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on March 28, 2010, 10:19:00 AM
Congrats to Jenson, and hard luck to Lewis who drove one of his best races if not THE best, shame about the 2nd pit stop and Webber taking him off, but very good race, and more of the same for Malaysia please...

yeah markb, Lewis drove a brilliant race only spoiled by a wrongly called pit stop and being taken out by an over enthusiastic Mark Webber going for a podium finish. Red Bull must be frustrated at their failure to score points but pace at the expense of reliability is not a WDC/WCC winning strategy.

and all praise for jenson for a fabulous drive. I think he has now silenced the doubters.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: markb on March 28, 2010, 10:49:17 AM
Congrats to Jenson, and hard luck to Lewis who drove one of his best races if not THE best, shame about the 2nd pit stop and Webber taking him off, but very good race, and more of the same for Malaysia please...

yeah markb, Lewis drove a brilliant race only spoiled by a wrongly called pit stop and being taken out by an over enthusiastic Mark Webber going for a podium finish. Red Bull must be frustrated at their failure to score points but pace at the expense of reliability is not a WDC/WCC winning strategy.

and all praise for jenson for a fabulous drive. I think he has now silenced the doubters.

Yes SennaMan, I do believe Button has silenced the doubters, and lets fasten our seatbelts for an epic battle between him and Lewis H...can't wait for Malaysia!!!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: raindancer on March 28, 2010, 11:01:45 AM
Great Result for Button and he has shown he is not going to be a push over for Hamilton as everyone predicted. While its just one race, he drove well and won. Exciting race overall and I liked the MS - Jamie Scrap too.
Cheers to Karun Chandok for finishing the race.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Chris Borg on March 28, 2010, 11:06:26 AM
Jenson Button has well and truly silenced his critics. I for one was of the opinion that he had made the wrong call, but he soon settled down and his laps times soon came tumbling down. Jenson did not put a foot wrong and did so with ease. Considering that he drove on the same tyres for over 50 laps it just shows how clean his driving style is. 8)



Roll on Malaysia.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Scott on March 28, 2010, 11:22:37 AM
One race does not a career make.  Great call on tires (although I've got to say he had some serious issues on the first and second laps after he changed tires), and very good drive.  Congratulations to him, but I would have to say that many of his doubters will refer to his lack of consistancy, not his one-off's.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: FW14B on March 28, 2010, 11:34:03 AM
Personally I'd refer back to JB's World Title  ;)  Brilliant call today though and a great drive.  A real statement made there to Hamilton, he is at McLaren and will really push hard. 

As for the racing, I feel like I am suffering bi-polar disorder.  Last time round it was dire and nearly put me to sleep.  This time round it was sensational and I feel a real buzz due to it.   :yahoo:
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: John S on March 28, 2010, 01:30:09 PM

yeah markb, Lewis drove a brilliant race only spoiled by a wrongly called pit stop

I think the truth behind the 2nd stop for Lewis was the team covering all the other teams to ensure at least one of the McLarens made it to first place. At the time of the stop button did not have a big lead over Kubica and Lewis with the Ferraris close behind, if fresh tyres gave a big extra margin then they would be in a tough position about when to stop their 2 cars. The bigger mistake to my mind is not pitting Lewis a bit earlier when he was bottled up behind the Renault. Drivers find it hard to accept that F1 is a team game, always has been and always will be for the teams themselves.

   
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on March 28, 2010, 04:05:27 PM
Personally I'd refer back to JB's World Title  ;)  Brilliant call today though and a great drive.  A real statement made there to Hamilton, he is at McLaren and will really push hard. 

As for the racing, I feel like I am suffering bi-polar disorder.  Last time round it was dire and nearly put me to sleep.  This time round it was sensational and I feel a real buzz due to it.   :yahoo:

yeah, me too Williamsfan. I'm still buzzing some seven hours from the finish and look forward to more excitement at Malaysia where it can rain without much warning.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: cosworth151 on March 28, 2010, 06:08:08 PM
It was quite a race. It just goes to show what can happen on a proper circuit. As the late sportscaster Jimmy Crumm would have said, "A real barn burner!" I'm just sad that my favorite drivers, Webber, Vettel & Trulli, didn't do better.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on March 28, 2010, 06:43:21 PM
Guilty! But I'll not admit to that in a court of F1 law until we have a couple dry races start-to-finish!  :tease:                                                                                                                                                                         
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Jericoke on March 28, 2010, 06:45:09 PM
3 conclusions
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Jericoke on March 28, 2010, 06:46:54 PM
Guilty! But I'll not admit to that in a court of F1 law until we have a couple dry races start-to-finish!  :tease:                                                                                                                                                                         

Exactly
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on March 29, 2010, 10:07:30 AM
3 conclusions
  • A wet race is a good race
  • The softer tires mean that teams have to at least consider pit stops.  Soft/supersoft at all races from now on
  • Track design matters

exactly!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Dare on March 29, 2010, 10:28:31 PM
one good race and one bad race so
F1 right now is 50% boring

I'm holding my breath on this one
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on March 31, 2010, 04:18:50 PM
one good race and one bad race so
F1 right now is 50% boring

I'm holding my breath on this one

nah Dare, F1 right now is 50% exciting and "the glass is half-full not half-empty".

the 'boys' are grasping the fact that a GP is no longer a 'sprint' of 15 to 30 laps to the next pitstop for a splash of fuel and super-clingy tyres but is a test of 'racecraft' over 50 or more laps. IMO as it should be.

as such the only boring races perhaps may be on the boring tracks designed by Herr Hermann Tilke [probably in accordance with the Fuhrer's - oops Bernies wishes]   
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: FW14B on March 31, 2010, 08:23:54 PM
The problem there though Sennaman is that quite a lot of the tracks on the 2010 calendar are Tilke designed venues  :(
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on April 01, 2010, 04:27:48 AM
The problem there though Sennaman is that quite a lot of the tracks on the 2010 calendar are Tilke designed venues  :(

yeah Williamsfan, and here is a list of them [from F1Fanatic.co.uk]:

Here’s this year’s [2009] calendar with the tracks entirely designed by Tilke or where he’s changed at least one corner:

Melbourne, Australia - corner
Sepang, Malaysia - track
Shanghai International Circuit, China - track
Bahrain International Circuit, Bahrain - track
Circuit de Catalunya, Spain - corner
Monte-Carlo, Monaco - corner
Istanbul, Turkey - track
Silverstone, Great Britain - corner
Nürburgring, Germany - corner
Hungaroring, Budapest - corner
Valencia, Spain - track
Spa-Francorchamps, Belgium - corner
Monza, Italy - corner
Marina Bay, Singapore - track
Suzuka, Japan - corner
Interlagos, Brazil - corner
Yas Island, Abu Dhabi - track

On top of that, the German and Japanese rounds are being rotated between two other circuits which aren’t hosting Grands Prix year, but will be on the 2010 F1 calendar.

These are the Hockenheimring, which was substantially re-designed by Tilke in 2002, and Fuji Speedway, which has also had a complete Tilke overhaul.


for the rest of this fascinating article please go to:

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/05/how-hermann-tilke-conquered-the-f1-calendar-1996-2009-video/ (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/05/how-hermann-tilke-conquered-the-f1-calendar-1996-2009-video/)
 
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: FW14B on April 01, 2010, 08:22:19 AM
So now tracks go to him to just redesign a corner?  That is shocking.  Surely an established track should have the know-how to make adjustments to it's existing layout?! 

Thanks for that list Sennaman, the situation is worse than I though in regards to Tilke!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Scott on April 01, 2010, 08:27:49 AM
Are there any Tilke success stories?  I don't know any - whether it's a track or a corner, neither the fans nor the drivers seem to like them.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: cosworth151 on April 01, 2010, 12:34:30 PM
There is one good corner at Istanbul Park, Turn 8. Opening up the approach from the swimming pool complex to Le Rascasse was a good thing. Other than that, it been a right mess. He even managed to make Fuji even worse than it used to be, no small feat.

There was one Tilke-free addition to the schedule in the past couple of decades - Indy. another reason The Evil Troll doesn't like it.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: John S on April 01, 2010, 12:41:46 PM

Does anyone know if Tilke even drives a car, sounds to me it's more likely he gets driven everywhere and we know chauffeurs are trained not to race, make sudden overtakes or movements of any kind. ;)

Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Jericoke on April 01, 2010, 01:29:37 PM

There was one Tilke-free addition to the schedule in the past couple of decades - Indy. another reason The Evil Troll doesn't like it.

Tilke is building a private track in Atlanta... if that's a criteria, maybe we're a step closer to a USGP.  Certainly a race in an Olympic City is a feather for Bernie's cap.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Ian on April 01, 2010, 01:43:07 PM
Sennaman  :good:, just watched the highlights of Aussie GP, cracking race, lets have more of them.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: cosworth151 on April 01, 2010, 02:39:12 PM
The Atlanta track is a "Motorsports Country Club," i.e. a playground for rich older guys.

Cos (Non-rich older guy)
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on April 02, 2010, 10:16:46 AM
Are there any Tilke success stories?  I don't know any - whether it's a track or a corner, neither the fans nor the drivers seem to like them.

well Scott try this for size:

"Motorland Aragon – his finest work?

Motorland Aragon

IRONICALLY, one of Tilke’s most promising tracks may never be used for an F1 race. Motorland Aragon in Spain includes the closest thing you can get to Laguna Seca’s fabled Corkscrew on an F1-ready track.

But with Spain already holding two Grands Prix at Catalunya and Valencia, its chances of getting on the calendar look slim. This is a great pity, as it looks like one of Tilke’s best efforts, and includes a dramatic pit building designed by Sir Norman Foster, the man behind the McLaren Technology Centre and many other exceptional pieces of architecture.

Although I’m not sure Tilke deserves all the criticism he gets, equally I’d like to see more variety in F1 track design. For example, given enough run-off space, why couldn’t F1 have high-speed circuits like the Monzas, Silverstones and Osterreichrings of old?"


again, for the rest of the F1Fanatic.co.uk article [and a 'bird's eye' view/sketch of the Motorland Aragon track], please go to

http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/05/how-hermann-tilke-conquered-the-f1-calendar-1996-2009-video/
 (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/2009/02/05/how-hermann-tilke-conquered-the-f1-calendar-1996-2009-video/)


Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on April 02, 2010, 10:29:47 AM
Sennaman  :good:, just watched the highlights of Aussie GP, cracking race, lets have more of them.

yes Ian, and this season may be something very special

......I am so excited by the prospects and possibilities; more so than many recent  years, and I think having four WDCs in very interesting pairings [especially at FERRARI and McLAREN], including michael SCHUMACHER, has a lot to do with it.

bring it on!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Willy on April 03, 2010, 12:25:32 AM
I still think that without the rain, it would have been a boring race as well.
Bring back refueling, ban the pressure fed fuel rigs and equip each track with overhead rain heads to add the wet element when required.

Okay, I was joking about the rain heads.....sort of.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Scott on April 03, 2010, 11:03:41 AM
Get Tilke to start building tracks in wet places in the rainy seasons...won't matter what the track layout is.   :fool: :fool:
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: John S on April 03, 2010, 11:20:01 AM

Alonso doesn't seem share to our enthusiasm for proper racing with plenty of overtaking, I wonder how many other drivers on the grid harbour his purist view?

http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/166723/Fernando-Alonso-stirs-up-a-storm-as-new-row-overtakes-Formula-One (http://www.express.co.uk/posts/view/166723/Fernando-Alonso-stirs-up-a-storm-as-new-row-overtakes-Formula-One)



Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Scott on April 03, 2010, 11:44:32 AM
If you want to see sport, go watch another sport - yeeesh, what a prat!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: FW14B on April 03, 2010, 04:16:15 PM
Sometimes it would be great if he engaged his brain before opening his mouth.  Motor racing is about racing, ie overtaking.  Most drivers seem to realise that F1 needs and has to excite the fans in the way the races unfold, thankfully!
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on April 03, 2010, 05:00:26 PM

Lol, sweet FA likes being a 'maverick' and winding you guys up.  :tease: :P :crazy:

as a consecutive two time WDC he knows all about overtaking and driving to stop being overtaken and he has a real shot at a third title this year

in fact until ferd came along nobody could resist michael SCHUMACHER

fernando showed he was not bothered by him at all

who will ever forget when he won at San Marino with MS doing all he could to overtake him for lap after lap, to no avail

so please cut this young master driver some slack and realise he gets a buzz from being controversial :D :yahoo: :yahoo: 8)

......and get ready to cheer if he pulls off more wins and another WDC
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: cosworth151 on April 03, 2010, 05:22:57 PM
Now, is this the same Ferd that was beached when he outdrove himself in Q1? I seem to recall some Finnish chap who beat Schumi before MS was in his dotage, too. I believe his name was Mika.
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: SennaMan on April 03, 2010, 06:00:54 PM
Now, is this the same Ferd that was beached when he outdrove himself in Q1? I seem to recall some Finnish chap who beat Schumi before MS was in his dotage, too. I believe his name was Mika.

very true cossie - MH was up to the task as well.

thanks for reminding me about the very fast Finn.  :-[
Title: Re: Now, Who was Saying F1 in 2010 would be so Boring?
Post by: Dare on April 03, 2010, 11:22:07 PM
two things MS and FA had going for them in their
championship runs were team mates who weren't
allowed to beat them
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