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Title: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Wizzo on October 29, 2007, 06:25:02 PM

Honda has won the Grand Prix at the second Green Awards, which reward business for communicating sustainability in a creative and original way, for the launch of its Honda Racing Formula 1 team's environmental initiative.

The campaign featured an image of the earth on the racing team's cars rather than the usual sponsor logos.  :lazy:
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: romephius on October 29, 2007, 08:53:34 PM
And let's not forget that Honda also did their bit to reduce carbon emissions during the season by virtue of several DNF's......

 :D

Rom
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Alianora La Canta on October 30, 2007, 11:37:24 AM
Well done Honda. The marketers are champions - though with the sort of ads they've been putting in the F1 ad breaks during the last few years, I'd already taken that as a given.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: cosworth151 on October 30, 2007, 02:55:04 PM
The campaign featured an image of the earth on the racing team's cars rather than the usual sponsor logos.  :lazy:

And they were slow enough that all the fans could get a good look!
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Alianora La Canta on October 30, 2007, 03:14:11 PM
True. Ironically, they also burned a lot of engines when they retired from races.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: CrazyHorse on October 30, 2007, 05:23:02 PM
i stopped supporting Button once his team jumped on the green bandwagon.

im old enough to remember global cooling so i dont believe this global warming mumbo jumbo...i should start an anti green thread


Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: romephius on October 30, 2007, 08:26:19 PM
I have only one question, if there is NO global warming, then, why are average temperatures only creeping higher??......

Just a thought.

Rom
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Steven Roy on October 30, 2007, 08:36:48 PM
Lack of air pollution.  50 years ago the world used coal fires.  There was so many particulates in the air they blocked part of the sun's energy.  Think about all the smog there used to be in the major cities.  Clean fuel, clean air, more energy from the sun getting through and heating the world up.

Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: CrazyHorse on October 31, 2007, 07:06:35 AM
Rom, think u will find its actually getting colder rather than warmer

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/main.jhtml?xml=/opinion/2006/04/09/do0907.xml

its snowing in south africa for the first time

http://wintercenter.homestead.com/photosouthafrica.html

they're even getting iceburgs off the SA coast

http://dusteye.wordpress.com/2007/10/09/iceberg-spotted-off-south-african-coast/



Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: romephius on October 31, 2007, 12:16:47 PM
I am sure you guys are probably right.... but, come live in my city for a couple of years and then see what you think about cooling....... I can't pretend to care fully about the whole global warming thing...... i admit to being fairly ignorant to the situation....

Thanks for the effort in showing me your point of view...

Take it easy guys

Rom
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: cosworth151 on October 31, 2007, 02:52:45 PM
Eight of the ten warmest years in recorded world history have been in the last decade, They have all been since 1960. The reason there are iceburgs off of South Africa is that the Antarctic ice sheets are breaking up and floating away.

Most of the world's biggest polluters, like China, still use huge amounts of coal. And the reason that the UK is getting colder is that the Gulf Stream, which carries warmth to Europe, is breaking down.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Chameleon on October 31, 2007, 08:05:47 PM
Alarmist tosh, I'm afraid, Cozzie.  The Antartctic has been getting cooler for several decades now and the ice sheet is not melting.  Have no idea where you got that one from - must be the latest warmie scare story.  Global temperature fluctuates all the time and, if anything, it is going down at the moment, especially in the southern hemisphere.  It would take hundreds of years for the Gulf Stream to be affected by any change in global temperature, if at all - it would have to be a huge change as well, otherwise it would have switched on and off several hundred times in the last millennium.  If all the ice in the Arctic melted tomorrow, the rise in sea levels would be barely noticeable - almost all the ice is floating on the ocean and already taking up its given mass therefore.  Only the ice on Greenland would make any difference at all and that, not much.

A few minutes logical thought can blow apart 90% of the warmies' lies - for pete's sake, folks, wake up - it's a political scam, that's all.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: romephius on November 01, 2007, 06:08:14 AM
Opinions are fluctuating too, but the southern hemisphere (more specifically Australia) has recorded it's hotest years in the past decade....... sorry but it is a matter of record that the heat is ON here..... that is an irrefutable FACT regardless of which side of the fence you are on with the whole global warming/cooling.....

Rom (a little more informed today)

 :DntKnw:
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Wizzo on November 01, 2007, 10:15:16 AM

I'm not going to get into 'is the world getting colder or warmer debate' but one thing is for sure, the worlds climate is changing, and it always has done since the beginning of time.

The fact remains that everyone seems obsessed with trying to reduce their carbon footprint. The total carbon footprint for the human race is only 0.2% of the total carbon produced by the planet, the rest is produced naturally by the sea and trees etc.

So if every person, factory and car stopped producing carbon tomorrow we would have a 0.2% positive effect on the environment, or in other words - no affect at all!

The governments of this world are certainly cashing in on the idea of us all having to save the planet for our children's future. Unfortunately it doesn't matter what we do, none of us can stop the world as it evolves.


Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: romephius on November 01, 2007, 10:19:20 AM
Beautifully put Wiz

 :good: :good:

Rom
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Monty on November 01, 2007, 10:35:47 AM
If you think the Global Warming issue is 'alarmist tosh' you have got your head firmly stuck in the sand. 'All' the scientific evidence points towards climate collapse. The term Global Warming is unfortunate because it doesn't really describe what is happening. The problem is climate change. Hence floods, droughts, bush fires....all worse than at anytime in history.
It can be fixed but not by attacking motorists. The two biggest problems are un-restricted industry and the cut and burn agriculture that is stripping the rain forests.
I am currently in China and the pollution is frightening. The developing world can save or kill the planet. If you value your Childrens, Children's future then don't kid yourself that the planet hasn't got major problems.
Lecture over.
By the way, let's hope Honda make a car that can finish and win races next season.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: SennaMan on November 01, 2007, 02:09:57 PM
nah Monty they will NEVER produce a winning car while they have this Japanese/European misorganisation!

mind you they do not have to as I am sure their very clever brand imaging and liverie etc has won every b green award going

so they now have more 'gongs' and brownie points than actually winning a GP let alone the WDC/WMCC

you and Wiz have hit the climate change on the button - the clearing of the rain forests has had more effect on global climate than carbon emissions but politicians get to tax the latter

that's why the motorist is being slugged

it is so easy to bemuse the ignorant masses mate

been doin it for centuries but now it is THE art form

just follow the b money mate
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: cosworth151 on November 01, 2007, 02:49:39 PM
By the way, let's hope Honda make a car that can finish and win races next season.

There already is such a car: the Super Aguri SA07! :yahoo:
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Monty on November 03, 2007, 05:53:29 AM
Sennaman and Cos are (as always) talking a lot of sense.
I can't help wondering if the problem at Honda may sit firmly with Nick Fry. I don't know the man but I sense something is missing. Let's face it he doesn't command peoples immediate respect like Ron Dennis or Frank Williams, he doesn't have the flair of Flavio, and he does't talk bo**ocks like Luca. The success of Super Aguri suggests that the original 'building blocks' weren't half bad.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Ian on November 03, 2007, 05:28:11 PM
At last, well done Wiz, a technical version of what I've always said, Mother Earth going through her cycles.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: SennaMan on November 04, 2007, 01:19:40 AM
Sennaman and Cos are (as always) talking a lot of sense.
I can't help wondering if the problem at Honda may sit firmly with Nick Fry. I don't know the man but I sense something is missing. Let's face it he doesn't command peoples immediate respect like Ron Dennis or Frank Williams, he doesn't have the flair of Flavio, and he does't talk bo**ocks like Luca. The success of Super Aguri suggests that the original 'building blocks' weren't half bad.

thanks mate, very generous of you and while the plaudits are going around may I say I greatly enjoy your perceptive comments like the one you penned about nick FRY as quoted above.

perhaps a stronger and more dynamic person than nick would get things done at HONDA but i think the problem really lies with the top management of the HONDA conglomerate wanting different outcomes than soley racing success from their considerable investment in their HONDA F1 team.

actually i have even seen a TV interview with nick discussing this very aspect of conflicting expectations and how both 'sides' are now communicating more clearly about them and how his team has been delivering more of the technical information etc HONDA Japan require for their car production and corporate needs

[sorry but i cannot remember which site the interview was on but i will do a 'Google' and let you know if i find it]

while i have some sympathy for this approach i cannot help thinking it must dilute and mitigate nick's and his team's racing focus but as you suggest monty perhaps a more 'complete' even aggressive CEO would clear away non-racing peripherals and demand more emphasis on racing results and less on the 'Save Our Planet' awards

mind you on a wider global scale and long-term, their 'green' and Earth caring stance and image may be of more value than winning races!

however, having said that surely in any endeavour the aim must be to achieve excellence? - and as we all know the HONDA F1 has a very long way to go even to match SUPER AGURI

i just hope that HONDA with all of its rich heritage of motor racing success does get the package right so JB and his team mate have a car worthy of their talent   

 
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: leather12 on November 04, 2007, 08:10:31 AM
I liked all of your answers, global warming of the earth exists, but if you look back at september 11, planes were not allowed to fly for at least a full day  ;) what was the consequence?? It went warmer, immediately...imagine on the long term, it seems our pollution get the T° lower....somebody must know, but certainly not us..
The main problem is not pollution, but finding drinkable water...

For Honda to win will be another story, remember japanese are never wanting to lose their faces, so Nick Fry is just a scapegoat in my eyes...Indeed not a top man, but someone that can listen to orders for sure
Another point is ,Japan has always copied, here they have to create a novelty, that's much more difficult
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Wizzo on November 04, 2007, 01:25:08 PM

Takeo Fukui, who was a chief engineer and director of Honda Racing before heading Honda's worldwide operations, described the 2007 Honda F1 season as "unthinkable results."

"I want to already forget about this year," he told a group of reporters at the Honda R&D facility outside Tokyo before the Tokyo motor show. "We are aware of 'some issues' with Honda-operated teams," Fukui said, and "next year, we will not allow to happen what happened this year."
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Steven Roy on November 04, 2007, 03:32:07 PM
I think it is completely unfair to say Japan has always copied.  Look at the electronics industry where new products are regularly available in Japan a year before they are available anywhere else in the world.  Japanese manufacturing processes are copied the world over and this is not something new.  I worked for a company in the early 1980s that used techniques developed in Japan.  When manufacturing and technology industries were introduced to Japan they were all based on copies of other people's products but soon they found better ways to make the same product and soon they were making better products than anyone.  Degner is the a good example.  Look at how they took the information supplied and turned it round to dominate the whole industry.
Title: Re: Honda Racing F1 Wins Something!
Post by: Monty on November 05, 2007, 02:52:00 AM
More correctly, in the past Japan copied, now it innovates (China will be next!!).
I think Honda Corporation overstretched themselves in 2007. They failed with a new design of Moto GP bike (much smaller and lower than conventional designs resulting in very nimble handling but a lot of instability). Nett result they were beaten most of the season by Ducati, Yamaha, Suzuki and even Kawasaki at times.
The Honda 125cc GP bikes were beaten by Aprillia, KTM and Derbi.
The HRC World Superbike team had new chassis, suspension and engine parts but got beaten by the Hanspree private team. We all know what happened in F1.
Perhaps they will limit interests only to Moto GP and F1 next year.
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