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Title: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 14, 2010, 05:11:54 PM
Not seen a thread on this yet, so thought I'd start one:

Heroes:
Alonso- A great first race for Fernando with Ferrari, rather ominous though, I hope they are not this fast everywhere.
Massa- 2nd on his comeback after that horrific accident last year.  Well done Felipe!
Hamilton- Dragged the best out of the McLaren and drove well to get onto the podium.
Vettel- Deserved better than his Red Bull gave him. 

Zeros:
The circuit- Too long and not really as exciting as they had hoped it would be.
Luscious Lizzie- For breaking up and causing Vettel grief.  Is this a problem with Newey's design on the car?
The 2010 regulations- They seem to make for boring racing, if today was anything to go by.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Alianora La Canta on March 14, 2010, 05:18:09 PM
Heroes:

Alonso - not a foot wrong all race.
Kubica - for making good headway after a first lap gone wrong; he must have done about half the overtaking moves of the race. For that I just about manage to forgive him for hitting Sutil.
Chandhok - for getting into that Hispania car in the first place.

Zeroes:

The Crown Prince of Bahrain - I heard it was his idea to introduce the new section. Its only redeeming feature is the big challenging bump at Turn 6... ...which the Crown Prince would like to remove for 2011 :(
Hydraulics manufacturers - why did so many of your products fail this race?
Webber - I think he lost a place or two when he started sliding all over the place on the last half of the race, thus wearing out his tyres bigstyle.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Jericoke on March 14, 2010, 05:26:22 PM
Heroes  - Barichello for taking putting a Cosworth powered car ahead of a Mercedes and a Ferrari engine.

Kovalainen for getting a new car to the finish line.

Zeroes - Ferrari already on their second engines?  They're looking at a lot of grid penalties at the end of summer.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2010, 07:44:58 PM
Heroes....Massa, what a comeback after that accident
             Vettel for bravely trying to hang on with a sick car
              Chandhok for not bitching

Zeroes... The big one, crap circuit
              These cars are not suited for running a whole race on one tank of petrol
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Chris Borg on March 14, 2010, 08:09:09 PM
Heroes.....Nico Rosberg beating Schumacher.

Zeroes.....That awful track.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 14, 2010, 08:10:37 PM
Ian, good call on Chandhok, the guy has really gone up in my estimation this weekend, he has performed well given the adverse circumstances he faced.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: david1275 on March 14, 2010, 08:20:45 PM
Heroes

Ferrari - For making my weekend. The F10 is all the car I hoped. A great start to the season and long may it continue.

Alonso - A fantastic start to his Ferrari career. He showed true pace keep up with a flying Vettel at the start until his untimely demise.

Massa - A great come back performance after last years horrific accident. I personally hope he has more in reserve to take the fight to his team mate.

Vettel - With the exception of the Ferrari's he seems to be the man to beat. Unlucky today.

Rosberg - Keep it up, your beating a true F1 master at his own game in the same car.

Barrichello - Top placed Cosworth powered car. You still have it, I don't care what anyone says, a true asset to Williams.

Lotus - Getting both cars (just) over the finish line in there first race as a new team.

Zeros

The 2010 rules - Today was a dull race compared to what I was hyped up to expect. The no refueling looks like a mistake to me. I want to see exciting racing not drivers pussy footing about saving tyres doing 2 min plus lap times, 5 secs slower than quli!!!

Red Bull exhaust - I can't really complain because it gave Ferrari the result, but it put a halt to an inspired drive by Vettel, one to watch no doubt.

The Track - Dull
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2010, 08:35:31 PM
Aah phooey David, you wait until the master gets up to speed again, he'll blow or knock the others out of it.  :P
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Scott on March 14, 2010, 09:21:47 PM
Ferrari / Alonzo / Massa - for being there at the end and the only ones to get near Vettel

Vettel for an error free race thatshould have been won.

Hamilton for getting a second a lap out of the car that Button couldn't.

Zeroes:

Tilke / Bernie / Bahrain for designing a boring point and shoot track that nobody liked.

Where were they?  Button / Webber / Schumi and Rosberg
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Dare on March 14, 2010, 09:57:16 PM
Hero's

Alonso,Massa,and Ferrari=showing their back

Schumacher=not the result a lot of us hoped for
                   but for taking a chance for a comeback

Lotus=Probably a horribe car but the Lotus green is back


Zero's

The FIA=another set of lousey rules that give us
             boring races

Tilke=another masterpiece of a track.I'll be glad when
         he gets a real job

HRT=nothing particular other thanshowing up with
        no testing
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Hampster on March 14, 2010, 10:23:54 PM
zeros - the grid girls, they all looked like air stewardesses  :'(
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Ian on March 14, 2010, 10:28:37 PM
Hampster, think of the country where we were today, very religious, don't panic, you'll soon see some lovelies on the grid.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 15, 2010, 09:06:59 AM
Not that they weren't lovely in Bahrain of course, just to covered up for our imperious western ways.  ;)

Heroes:
Alonso not for winning, that was handed to them, but for that lap 1.58.287. Almost a second and a half faster than anyone else. He is quality.
Massa for just being there after his injury last season.
Nico R for being ahead of Schumacher, the only 'B' driver to beat his more illustrious teamate.
Lotus for finishing and being ahead of Buemi (I know he rietired but he counts!)
Chandhok for being so cool and for loving every minute of it! Really impressed with this guy.
Lewis for dragging that sorry excuse of a McLaren into third.
FI for building what looks like a cracking car.
Kubica for qualifying his Renault way ahead of his teammate and looking competitive.
Heiki and Glock for making it briefly interesting with their early race duelling in the class B F1 division.
Rubens for his post qualifying comment when asked about Shumacher and for showing his class as the top Cossie finisher.

Zeros
Red Bull once again a mechanical failure.
Ferrari for not being able to build 2 engines that last more than qualifying
McLaren for having the same downforce issues one year on
Button for taking it easy.
Luizi for taking out his own teammate
FIA for banning refuelling
The track and its bumps and massive length.
Sauber for flattering to deceive.
Jake Humphreys for being a day out on colour coordination with DC & EJ
Webber for not being able to park and then for his Dick Dastardly antics at the start of the race which took out Kubica.
Bernie banning passes for Physio's so that there are no drivers to interview for Martin on his grid walk.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 15, 2010, 09:13:10 AM
Love the comment about Webber.  Now we know what Newey was busy with all winter, a new smokescreen button  :D
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 15, 2010, 09:17:47 AM
As with Dastardly though, it didn't work out well for Mark. Maybe that's why Vettels exhaust went, he pressed his 'special' button and it knackered his exhaust?!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: romephius on March 15, 2010, 09:20:20 AM
It was a funny line... but you can't blame webber... he drove well considering he was held up by the boat anchor... I mean button....

Although when I saw all that smoke I almost made a mess in my pants thinking his engine blew....

Heroes:

Massa - great recovery and showed good maturity.
Vettel - for driving through a problem as best he could
Rosberg - for showing he's got the stuff against Shuey in equal equipment.

Zeroes:

Button - Bad start, mundane 'racing' if you can call it that... holding up faster cars
FIA - 2010 regs (well, some of them)
Herman Tilke - for god's sake just design a track like spa and you'll be on a winner

Honourable mention: Karun Chandhock - Dealt with difficulties and disappointment like a champ.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 15, 2010, 09:23:58 AM
It was in there purely for humour value, I don't blame Mark, this time anyway! If it happens again well thats it, he's going to have to get himself a red and white stripy hat and laughing dog!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: romephius on March 15, 2010, 09:25:50 AM
And I reckon he'd pull it off brilliantly in true Aussie grit style... LOL...

Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Andy B on March 15, 2010, 09:52:34 AM
Heros
Ferrari for building a good car - the F60.
Massa for his return.
Lotus for finishing.
Lewis for getting more out the car than what was there.
Chandhok a class guy.

Zeros
Bridgestone the tyres are too durable and should not last a race.
The circuit too long too booring.
The Technical regs for not allowing the cars to run close enough to overtake.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: cosworth151 on March 15, 2010, 12:48:14 PM
Heroes:

Cosworth - THEY'RE BACK!  :yahoo:

Barrichello - For putting them ahead of Ferrari & Merc mills.

Vettel - Robbed by Renault exhaust.

Massa - Good job after that horrific accident last year.

Trulli - For limping his failing Lotus home.

Webber - He had to be worried about his engine after it fogged for mosquitoes.

Chandhok - Good attitude

Zeroes:

The track - Awful, bland, boring, featureless.

No refueling - Now we know why supertanker racing never caught on.

The Grid Girls - I think those were Gulf Air flight attendants. About as exciting as the track.


Note to stealthhaggis - Dick Dastardly had nothing to do with it! Here's the real story!  ;)  (At least he didn't push the red button!)


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUG1GexVz2k (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wUG1GexVz2k)
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 15, 2010, 12:53:03 PM

Note to stealthhaggis - Dick Dastardly had nothing to do with it! Here's the real story!  ;)  (At least he didn't push the red button!)


Is that what Vettel pressed then?  :DD
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 15, 2010, 02:01:43 PM
The Red Bull Q Branch, I like it!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Monty on March 15, 2010, 02:06:44 PM
Heroes
Vettel - the only driver really 'going for it'
Hamilton - driving beyond the car's abilities
Massa & Alonso - ignoring (to a small degree) the teams instructions to save the engines.
Kovi - getting the Lotus home and having some good battles along the way

Zeroes
Tilke / Track - bumpy and boring
Schumacher - for whining about the regulations that clearly affected everyone


Not a zero but very worrying - Webber. Vettel was in a different league. Mark can't complain about being held up by Button because he was being held up by Schumacher.
Based on Vettel's raw speed surely Mark should have been able to get past Button and Schui through the twisty bits?
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Willy on March 16, 2010, 01:59:54 AM
Heros:
Ferd - Nice race, no errors
Kubica - Good comeback.
Vettel - Too bad you had no spark.

zeros:
FIA - Horrible new regs BRING BACK REFUELING!  :yahoo:
Bahrain Int Circuit - terrible new section on an uneventfull track. What, not enough time or money to resurface properly?
Bernie - Just 'cuz.  >:D
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: jvilleneuve on March 16, 2010, 02:32:06 AM
Pitiful race, one of the worst tracks in F1...and imagine, Montreal was left out last year for this crap...its in the middle of a desert for christ sakes

Regulation changes added to the disexcitment...no refuelling is no fun, plus the cars are going too slow in the middle sections of the race...

The best part of F1 is the strategy and I feel that the restrictions placed on the car and the pitstops have really lessened the quality of the product...hopefully the first race is not the tale of the season...

Congrats to Alonso and ferrari...I hate that team, but they were the only consistent package for the weekend...kudos to them....small kudos to Lotus for completing the GP and a very nice job done for Force India, who deserved a little better than what they got...Sutil should have scored some points for them, but it was not to be...High hopes for young guns such as Vettel and Rosberg who both look to be future stars
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: raindancer on March 16, 2010, 06:10:05 PM
Heroes : Alonso for being the fastest man on the track by a fair distance.
Nico : For finishing ahead of MS
Luizzi: For coming in 9th.
Hamilton: For driving an incident free race and getting on to the podium.

Zeroes:
Webber: He was outclassed by his team mate.
Button: He needs to up his game.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Ian on March 16, 2010, 09:14:29 PM
Was Schumacher the only one whining then ?
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Chris Borg on March 16, 2010, 09:16:25 PM
Was Schumacher the only one whining then ?

It certainley seems that way!!!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: John S on March 16, 2010, 10:22:12 PM
Was Schumacher the only one whining then ?

No not by a long chalk, but he is the only one with a name that makes people take notice, the press loves to stir up controvesy.

Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 16, 2010, 10:55:00 PM
Webber has been doing plenty of whining, he is one of the more quoted drivers lately due to his moaning!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on March 18, 2010, 05:31:24 PM

Bernie banning passes for Physio's so that there are no drivers to interview for Martin on his grid walk.

I don't get this. I have to download Martinès grid walks as we donèt get that portion of the broadcast in Canada but I did not grab this one yet.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 18, 2010, 08:38:40 PM
That pass ban was farcical.  Perhaps Bernie wants Martin to spend more time interviewing the rich and glamorous who come to the race, or mildly successful British comedians/rock 'stars'.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on March 19, 2010, 02:48:16 AM
That pass ban was farcical.  Perhaps Bernie wants Martin to spend more time interviewing the rich and glamorous who come to the race, or mildly successful British comedians/rock 'stars'.

So was this a one race ban or for the entire season? I really look forward to watching Martin walk the grid.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 19, 2010, 08:05:58 AM
I think it is a permanent thing, so the drivers are currently talking of boycotting the grid again in Melbourne.
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: stealthhaggis on March 19, 2010, 08:50:31 AM
As you said, it's a financial thing and it is a permanent thing too. Shocking decision once again from Bernie. If he thinks we all tune in to listen to celebrates prattle on about 'Their here to support the **insert colour of choice** car' whilst trying to explain that they've followed F1 for years and its not really just a free ride and a useful thing to be seen at for their public persona. If Bernie really thinks we are that stupid, and clearly he does most of the time, then he is once again way off the mark! I am not interested in some overpaid prima donnas and their opinion, well actually now I think of it I am, but it's the ones that drive the cars I'm interesting in hearing from!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Scott on March 19, 2010, 10:40:04 AM
I'm sure the teams would let Brundle into the garages to talk to the drivers, so maybe he will start doing a 'Garage Walk' instead.   >:(
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Jericoke on March 19, 2010, 12:40:17 PM
I'm sure the teams would let Brundle into the garages to talk to the drivers, so maybe he will start doing a 'Garage Walk' instead.   >:(

We don't get the grid walk in Canada, so I have no idea what I'm missing.  What if Brundle starts talking to the mechanics?  A behind the scenes look might provide more insight, as well, I'm sure there are a few guys (and gals) back there with enough TV presense to be interesting in their own right... especially since a larger percentage of them speak English than the drivers!
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: FW14B on March 19, 2010, 01:56:32 PM
Martin does sometimes talk to mechanics, but he gets his kicks out of (literally) assaulting other tv crews and getting interviews with the drivers! 
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Canada Darrell™ on March 20, 2010, 04:14:32 PM
Un-freaking-believable.....

Well jericoke, I've been downloading the pre-race show and just in the last year got to see Martin's grid walk and it was the highlight before the race. As Williamsfan said, he practically assaults other TV crews to get his quick interviews.
In North American, we're more accustomed to SpeedTV's Peter Windsor doing the same thing, but nobody does it like Martin.
As with everything I perceive as negative when it comes to F1, I blame Bernie!
What's next? Huge walls around the paddock and charging people for a look through the window? @#$%# I should not have said that, Bernie may be watching.......
Title: Re: Bahrain Heroes and Zeros
Post by: Scott on March 20, 2010, 04:19:30 PM
What's next? Huge walls around the paddock and charging people for a look through the window? @#$%# I should not have said that, Bernie may be watching.......

They already have the huge walls - but no windows...maybe that's another revenue stream Bernie hadn't thought of.   >:D >:D
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