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Other Sports => Other Sports => Topic started by: Jericoke on February 24, 2013, 06:22:40 PM
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James Franco (the actor) just gave 'the most famous words in motorsports' to start the Daytona 500. Because Patrick is racing, he didn't say 'Gentlemen Start Your Engines!', which is fine.
however, he said 'Drivers, and Danica, Start Your Engines!'
I try not to be overly sensitive to these things... traditions are fine if they don't hurt anyone. Switching 'Gentlemen' to 'Drivers' is fine. 'Ladies and Gentlemen' would fit well... but why 'Drivers, and Danica?'
Did he mean 'Gentlemen and Danica and flub it?
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It sounded like he got a mixture of cheers and boos in response. I'm sure his publicist is already spinning it.
Maybe he's just seen her drive before. ;)
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She lost the lead to Jeff Gordon by Turn 1, Lap 1.
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I have to give her credit,she did win the pole for Daytona
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She lead 5 laps, and was 3RD late in the race before dropping to 8TH at the finish when guys with a lot more experience got to her. Pole, a top ten, and lead a lap; lots of the big guns would have been very happy with that result. Must be some talent in there somewhere.
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She lead 5 laps, and was 3RD late in the race before dropping to 8TH at the finish when guys with a lot more experience got to her. Pole, a top ten, and lead a lap; lots of the big guns would have been very happy with that result. Must be some talent in there somewhere.
:good: I'd say a good bit more than a lot of the rookie drivers there for sure.
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Danica led 5 laps for a huge, multi-car team swimming in cash. Scott Speed led 2 laps for the lowest funded team on the grid, a single car family run organization. Which took more talent?
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Danica led 5 laps for a huge, multi-car team swimming in cash. Scott Speed led 2 laps for the lowest funded team on the grid, a single car family run organization. Which took more talent?
I'd have to say the pole sitter who led 5 laps. Next you'll be suggesting for Montoya's time in Nascar he's always been in a low budget team; remind us again how, with his known talent, his Nascar career has gone. :P
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No comparison. Earnhardt Ganassi is gigantic compared to Leavine Family Racing. So is Stewart Haas, that Patrick drives for. Also, Speed had to race his way into the 500, his team didn't buy him points from another team.
http://www.lfr95.com/index.php
It makes me think about the days when Patrick would show up with a megabuck team in the IRL. Sarah Fisher would come in with a tiny team that she put together herself and flat outdrive Danica.
Can you even imagine Danica Patrick building a team from scratch?
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In other words Cos, you don't like Danica. ::)
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Racing is never fair. There are a number of drivers in the world who are probably more talented than several who have jobs in F1. The ones with rides have sponsors who grease the skids for them. Doesn't mean they aren't talented, just not the most talented available. Danica has 2 advantages, she's a woman and for whatever reason there are important people who want women in racing. Second, she's attractive, sponsors love her. Wouldn't matter if she wasn't talented. She has to produce some kind of results. For a rookie, she had an excellent drive. Scott Speed has had several chances to impress people who own racing cars, and hasn't done it yet. He still could. I sincerely wish Sarah Fisher had gotten a better shot at a driving career, she's one of my favorite people in racing. It didn't happen. I also sincerely wish Danica is very successful as that will make it easier for the next woman to get a ride.
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I know very little about Nascar or Danica, but the simple fact that there's a woman driver is a Good Thing.
Back to the thread's title, I don't think it was an intentional slur, he just messed up – badly!
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I agree on both counts Vintly. :good:
Motorsport is one sports area where a level field can exist for both sexes to compete together and it's time we saw many more women coming through the junior ranks of the sport.
Even though no slur may have been intended how the hell did they not have a proper plan to deal with the situation. ::) The pity is that the Nascar governing body has failed to realise how stupid this makes them look. - Still it got them plenty of coverage, so maybe it was intentional after all. ;)
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Is there anyone who doesn't think that Patrick is way over rated? There are many far, far more talented female drivers active today. The only reason Patrick gets all of the hype (and, therefor, the lion's share of the sponsorship) is her willingness to take her clothes off for the cameras. If you doubt that, watch some of her soft-core porn Go Daddy adverts.
Yes, racing should do more to feature female drivers. Why not do it for what they do on the track? Sarah Fisher is a real racer. She's absolutely dedicated to the sport. The same could be said for Simona de Silvestro. I'd even rate Liz Haliday ahead of Patrick.
As I said earlier, Fisher started her own team from scratch. de Silvestro raced at Indy last year with badly burned hands. I don't see anything close to that kind of dedication from Patrick. If she has even the slightest problem, She goes looking for someone to blame.
One week earlier, Courtney Force won one of the NHRA's biggest races, the Winternationals at Pamona, in the Funny Car division. Why didn't that get the hype that Patrick did for a pole?
My 13 year old grand daughter wants to race. I think Patrick's example of "it's not what you show on the track, it's what you show in the publicity photos" sets a terrible precedent.
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Just had a great idea for a competition, put Cos and monty side by side, put a picture of Patrick and Schumacher in front of them and see who explodes first. ::) :P :tease:
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Is there anyone who doesn't think that Patrick is way over rated? There are many far, far more talented female drivers active today. The only reason Patrick gets all of the hype (and, therefor, the lion's share of the sponsorship) is her willingness to take her clothes off for the cameras. If you doubt that, watch some of her soft-core porn Go Daddy adverts.
Yes, racing should do more to feature female drivers. Why not do it for what they do on the track? Sarah Fisher is a real racer. She's absolutely dedicated to the sport. The same could be said for Simona de Silvestro. I'd even rate Liz Haliday ahead of Patrick.
As I said earlier, Fisher started her own team from scratch. de Silvestro raced at Indy last year with badly burned hands. I don't see anything close to that kind of dedication from Patrick. If she has even the slightest problem, She goes looking for someone to blame.
One week earlier, Courtney Force won one of the NHRA's biggest races, the Winternationals at Pamona, in the Funny Car division. Why didn't that get the hype that Patrick did for a pole?
My 13 year old grand daughter wants to race. I think Patrick's example of "it's not what you show on the track, it's what you show in the publicity photos" sets a terrible precedent.
Careful about disproving your point... de Silvestro does what she has to to get ahead: driving injured. Danica does what she has to to get ahead: porn.
I can't imagine that 13 year old Patrick set a goal of selling her body to win a pole position at Daytona.
I agree she sets a terrible example for young girls aspiring to race, but don't knock the effort she's made to get where she's going. Considering some of blatant disregard for human life men have engaged in the past of motorsport in the name of winning, Danica's act is downright pedestrian.
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You can have the pics Ian if you want, don't give lame excuses of Cos and Monty :P
By the way I think, it will be you who will explode before anyone else :DD :DD :DD :DD
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Courtney didn't get the PR because she wasn't the first woman to win a Funny Car race, her sister and Melanie Troxel have both done it. Speaking of fair, Mel is arguably a better driver than any of the Force girls, so why doesn't she have a ride? I agree with Jeri, Danica does what she feels she needs to to get the ride. If doing racy pictures for SI and suggestive commercials for Go Daddy will get her a Stewart Haas car then I regret that she feels she needs to, but I respect the drive to succeed. I don't think she's as talented as Sarah, but I do think she's more driven and better at promoting herself. I hope she wins a race this year. :tease:
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Where would you draw the line, then? Back in IMSA (now ALMS) in the 1980's, John Paul Sr & Jr smuggled cocaine to fund their racing. Was that OK, too?
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Where would you draw the line, then? Back in IMSA (now ALMS) in the 1980's, John Paul Sr & Jr smuggled cocaine to fund their racing. Was that OK, too?
:DD :DD :DD :stop: :nono: :nono:
You really, really don't like Danica do yah Cos. ::)
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I think Ms. Danica will pave way for others, so that instead of doing the showbiz thing, young aspiring drivers will be able to shine only showing their ability of racing. Given the fact that she earned a pole, no matter the circumstances she did earn it fair and square. So she must have some sort of skill to achieve that. Now it is a matter of time to see whether this was a fluke or she has got more to show us.
:nono: :nono: Ian I am only talking about her driving skills :D
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Of course you are BD, you would no more look at her lovely curvy body than I would. ::) :P
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Where would you draw the line, then? Back in IMSA (now ALMS) in the 1980's, John Paul Sr & Jr smuggled cocaine to fund their racing. Was that OK, too?
Could you imagine an entire major racing series based on a group of men going to a Florida beach and showing off the cars they use for running contraband?!
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While I think the world might be a better place overall if cocaine were legal, it isn't. The Pauls were breaking the law, Danica isn't. A number of female athletes have posed in swimsuits or less for SI or ESPN, are they all untalented in their sports? Sarah is not returning to the driver's seat and honestly, though I like her, I'm not sure Simona is more talented than Danica.
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I agree that Danica gets more hype than she deserves, but she is still a very talented driver. Sure she always has driven for big budget teams, but you still need skill to be competitive in a fast car. I bet if you put her in some sort of amateur racing event she would kick everyones ass. I'm not a huge Danica fan, but she is still loaded with talent (at least on the oval) I think NACAR will be good for her, I wouldn't be surprised to see her win a race or two this season. Putting all the model stuff on the side, she is still a damn good racing driver. The best? No, but still worthy of being a profesional.
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I know we're talking about Nascar not F1, but as Bernie repeatedly says, they're in the entertainment business. Driving talent is not the be all and end all.
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While I think the world might be a better place overall if cocaine were legal, it isn't. The Pauls were breaking the law, Danica isn't. A number of female athletes have posed in swimsuits or less for SI or ESPN, are they all untalented in their sports? Sarah is not returning to the driver's seat and honestly, though I like her, I'm not sure Simona is more talented than Danica.
I can't see how legalizing cocaine could benefit the
world in any way except for maybe creating a new
source of tax money.
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In the long term, I think a little recreational nose candy is far less harmful than making a generation of young girls think that they have to become pole dancers to get anywhere in racing.
As for her driving, she would do better as a baseball pitcher. She's had lots of practice throwing her crew under the bus. Has she ever had a shunt that she didn't blame on everyone other than herself? Has she ever lost a race that she didn't blame on the car or the crew?
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Has she ever had a shunt that she didn't blame on everyone other than herself? Has she ever lost a race that she didn't blame on the car or the crew?
Sounds just like cry baby Vettel. ;) :P
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In the long term, I think a little recreational nose candy is far less harmful than making a generation of young girls think that they have to become pole dancers to get anywhere in racing.
As for her driving, she would do better as a baseball pitcher. She's had lots of practice throwing her crew under the bus. Has she ever had a shunt that she didn't blame on everyone other than herself? Has she ever lost a race that she didn't blame on the car or the crew?
I think there's a little more toit than a little harmless
nose candy.Your supporting drug cartel's and ask the
families of people whose lives were ruined by a little
harmless drugs how harmless they were.Pot yes but
harder drugs no,that's just my opinion
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That was pretty much my point. The degradation and objectification of girls and young women is even worse than that. Maybe that is "just the way things are," but don't expect me to pretend that it isn't an unspeakable evil.
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It's a sad and different world than what you and the older
people here and me were brought up in.What 12 year olds
know now we had never heard of.Back when we were
kids divorced parents were a rarity and relationships now
are broken up at the slightest whim.
I'm just glad I'm not a kid having to be raised up in
this world.It's hard enough living in it
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It's a sad and different world than what you and the older
people here and me were brought up in.What 12 year olds
know now we had never heard of.Back when we were
kids divorced parents were a rarity and relationships now
are broken up at the slightest whim.
I'm just glad I'm not a kid having to be raised up in
this world.It's hard enough living in it
The kids will be fine, despite the adults.
They always are.
We aren't going to have a generation of half naked women drivers any more than we have a generation of bootleggers driving for NASCAR. The groundwork might be ugly, but once it's done, everyone moves on.
Some other 'abomination' will come along, and racing will either survive it, or vanish, depending on who's in charge at the time.
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Totally agree with you're last sentence Jeri.
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First, interdiction is really not very successful. The best proof of that is that street prices are relatively stable. A friend of mine was #2 in the Border Patrol in the Tucson sector some years ago and he said he reckoned they found and stopped only about 10% of what came over the border. In the years since they have undoubtedly improved, but I bet it's still under 25%. Second we are just beginning to understand what addiction is and how it works. It is not the same for everyone. If we spent on honest drug education and treatment even half of what we spend on enforcement we would probably save more people. Legalizing it, sending addicts to a Doctor rather than a pusher, would eliminate the cartels and all the crime and violence they cause. And if the big drug companies sold coke, weed etc, they might be able to reduce the cost of the drugs the rest of us take to please our Doctors.
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The kids will be fine, despite the adults.
They always are.
I have a 13 year old grand daughter who has to live with the consequences of this kind of thing every day. I can't afford to be quite so flip about it.
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The kids will be fine, despite the adults.
They always are.
I have a 13 year old grand daughter who has to live with the consequences of this kind of thing every day. I can't afford to be quite so flip about it.
I'm not being flip about it.
I see far too many mountains being made out of molehills. Kids aren't allowed to make mistakes any more. You think Danica is wrong? Tell your granddaughter that. Have a discussion about why it's wrong.
At the end of the day, whatever she sees on TV pales to what she sees, or hears, from the people she knows best.
So, even though the world is filled with adults who act like anything but adults (especially the sports world!), as long as the important adults make the effort, the kids will be fine.