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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Alonsofan on May 12, 2013, 03:53:28 PM
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Well what a satisfying result :D
Thumbs up to:- :good:
Alonso - Perfect drive, what an overtake on lap 1 turn 3 to set up his win.
Massa - Great result for Massa to finish on the podium.
Kimi - Another solid result, will push Seb and Fernando all the way.
Bernie - For "picking" Fernando to win in the pre-race build up ;) Couldn't resist this one
Thumbs down:- (Where is the thumbs down smiley?)
McLaren - Just poor
Mercedes - Stop eating your tyres so much!
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Thumbs up
Alonso,Massa and Ferrari--near perfect weekend
Vettel--did the best he could with what he had
Kimi--great race,as usual.He and Alonso are the 2 best drivers
Rosberg-at least he did make it 2 for 4 for pole position
Thumbs down
Williams--saying their new car sucks is way to kind
Mercedes-you have engineers right,let them fix the 3 years plus
tire problem
Caterham--cars run better with the wheels on
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Thumbs up :good: :
Everyone from Maranello.
Gutierrez and Sauber - Fast Lap and actually lead at one point. Just missed scoring a point.
Kimi & Lotus - Lotus might well have had 2 cars in the points if not for Grosjean's incident.
Pirelli - Drivers & designers now have to take tire wear into consideration.
Thumbs Down :tease: :
McLaren - I wonder if the new nose wing would have helped.
Mercedes - Dr. Z was on hand this weekend. I wonder if Macca will leave Merc or if Merc will just leave.
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I wouldn't give Pirelli a thumbs up for their
degrading tires,it's taking the racing out of F1.
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IMHO it's adding to the racing. The drivers now have to take tire management into consideration once again. It's one more variable that is at the drivers command. It's similar to endurance racing, where the driver must balance raw speed against the need to make the car last for the entire race.
For example, I once saw a film on Jim Clark. One of the engineers from Lotus said that Clark had the best tire management of any driver he'd ever seen. No matter what the circumstances, when Clark would pit, all four tires would have almost exactly equal wear. That's the kind of skill these tires require of a driver.
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I only managed to see bits and pieces, but I got two more points than I've had all season so far, so at least I had a better day than Mercedes and Mclaren.
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It wasn't a thriller, but I was more engaged than otherwise would have been the case because of Alonso's opening lap, and the fact that he led so easily, which I hadn't expected. The rest was pretty run of the mill stuff to be honest, with precious little action of any kind.
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I was bored stiff for most of the race (fortunately I had a good book about gravity to keep me away from my computer!) because everything seemed to be telegraphed a long way in advance.
Heroes
Fernando Alonso - for being brilliant with the fans and showing how much he welcomed their passion. Oh, and in the middle of all that, he may have done a wonderful 305 km of driving...
Paul di Resta and Nico Rosberg - for stopping me from getting completely bored at the end, by providing some proper racing.
Mark Webber - for a nice "double interview" with Fernando Alonso in the BBC pre-race build-up.
Zeroes
BBC commentators/FOM race direction - I was bemused as to how it was possible for a group of experienced, intelligent commentators to miss so much of the narrative of how the race unfolded... ...then I realised they were being hampered spectacularly by the camera editing crew preferring to broadcast non sequiter shots of cars on their own, even when battles were well underway. The nadir was when they spent about 3 laps watching Massa in the midst of the Rosberg/di Resta battle referenced in "Heroes". If it had been race leader and local hero Alonso, I might have understood...
Mercedes - Those big round things are not points bubbles, no need to go all Pac-Man and devour them. Getting overtaken by blue (Williams) "ghosts" is also more Pac-Man than F1. And nobody, but nobody, should ever have cause to wail, "I can't goooooo any sloooooower..." in the middle of a Grand Prix!
Pastor Maldonado - I'm willing to give him some credit for giving Hamilton a fright (Pastor overtaking Hamilton contributed to the aforementioned wail), but it looked like he was trying to do the Time Warp down the pitlane during his first pitstop. Just to make it worse, he "lost the beat" by quick-stepping in the wrong place.
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Well pretty much all of the things that should be said, is being said. I would like to add only a little..
I think Daniel Riccardo did have another excellent race and putting Jean E Vergne & Mark Webber under pressure for a next seat in the RBR team. In a Toro Rosso he did a great of job of both Qualifying and running a good race, though almost in the verge of being taken out by Hulkenberg. If RBR is not pursuing for Kimi, I think Daniel Riccardo should replace Mark in the RBR.
And Nico Hulkenberg in the pits, what was he trying to do, could have dabbed the brakes and avoided a pit-lane collision, and could have managed a possible point scoring position. That was erratic, childish and put simply stupid.
I don't know why are people so worried about degradation, specially the fans. Because it spices the race up. I can understand the frustration of RBR, because it means they cannot dominate anymore, but just look at the other side of the coin, Kimi being 3 point off the leader, shows it is still possible to be able to race with tyre management. And more so it evens out the field, and cut the domination of Red Bull, how come that is bad, until and unless you are a blind RBR fan.
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And Nico Hulkenberg in the pits, what was he trying to do, could have dabbed the brakes and avoided a pit-lane collision, and could have managed a possible point scoring position. That was erratic, childish and put simply stupid.
Can't blame Nico for the problem in the pits. He has to trust the team that when it's time to go, it's time to go. He can't see the incoming car, he can't know when an incoming car will slow down or stop. On top of that, he's going through the takeoff procedure, and ensuring his car doesn't stall.
I'm glad F1 takes 'unsafe release' very seriously, there are so many people around, unprotected.
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And Nico Hulkenberg in the pits, what was he trying to do, could have dabbed the brakes and avoided a pit-lane collision, and could have managed a possible point scoring position. That was erratic, childish and put simply stupid.
Can't blame Nico for the problem in the pits. He has to trust the team that when it's time to go, it's time to go. He can't see the incoming car, he can't know when an incoming car will slow down or stop. On top of that, he's going through the takeoff procedure, and ensuring his car doesn't stall.
I'm glad F1 takes 'unsafe release' very seriously, there are so many people around, unprotected.
Come on Jeri, it was not immediately after the release and a few dab in the brake pedal would have saved him from this embarrassment.
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You don't dab the brakes on an F1 car exiting the pit stall, or at such low RPM it will stall. The teams, FIA and drivers seem to be in agreement it's up to the team to release the car safely. I agree with Jeri, no fault to Nico here, fault to the jack man or whoever tells the driver to go.
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The driver relies on the lollypop man, or whomever is working the release light, for a safe release. The driver probably can't see the incoming traffic until it's too late.
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The driver can only take his direction from the lolipop man on a release and has to believe he has a clear exit. He is not looking in his mirror to second guess a release decision. No time for that.
Nico did no wrong.
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It was really hot, and the views were on the whole very good. :tease:
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IMHO it's adding to the racing. The drivers now have to take tire management into consideration once again. It's one more variable that is at the drivers command. It's similar to endurance racing, where the driver must balance raw speed against the need to make the car last for the entire race.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion - even when they are wrong :D
It cannot be right that all of the F1 cars were 'racing' at speeds slower than F2 cars (and F2 also have tyre problems!).
It isn't racing when even the 'raciest' drivers are afraid to attempt to overtake or block because it will ruin their tyre strategy.
It can't be right that a 'racing' slick now lasts less time than the old qualifying tyres used to.
It can't be right when a fully fledged F1 fanatic is watching the race from trackside and honesly has no idea of what position any of the cars are in during most of the race. The cars were so spread out in the middle of the race that it was easy to believe on some occasions that a Caterham was actually considerably faster than a RBR because there was no information to let you know that the Caterham had just fitted new tyres but the RBR was on old tyres (well they had done 9 laps!).
It is a JOKE ! :(
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If you let Pirelli build their best tire, they will build one that won't need changing, and Red Bull will finish 1-2 every race like Ferrari used to. :sick:
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OK here is the new monty tyre rule:-
for the race only two sets of tyres will be provided.
Selected for the track there will be one Soft compound providing fast lap times but only capable of lasting approx. 50% of the race distance; and one hard compound capable of lasting approx. 75% race distance.
A second set of hard compounds will be available but only to be used in the event of punctures.
Still requires cars and drivers to 'manage' tyre wear but at least there will only be one pit stop for each car which will avoid the confusion that comes from 3, 4, 5 pit stops every race! :crazy:
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NASCAR fans keep track of 42 cars making 6 to 8 pit stops per race. Le Mans fans manage to sort out 56 cars in multiple classes making more pit stops in one race than F1 does in a season. I see no problem with the stops.
As Kimi says, the tires are the same for everyone. Teams and drivers can either adapt or lose. In any case, the current rule is doing what it was intended to do - get us all talking about Pirelli. ;)
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NASCAR fans keep track of 42 cars making 6 to 8 pit stops per race. Le Mans fans manage to sort out 56 cars in multiple classes making more pit stops in one race than F1 does in a season. I see no problem with the stops.
As Kimi says, the tires are the same for everyone. Teams and drivers can either adapt or lose. In any case, the current rule is doing what it was intended to do - get us all talking about Pirelli. ;)
Hear, hear! well said that man. :good:
Instead of complaining Red Bull should be looking for ways to fix the problems the tyres give them, it's the same tyres for everyone - so just get on with it Adrian/Christian/Dieter. :P
I don't recall anyone cutting Merc any slack last year when their cars were eating the tyres, in fact with the more durable tyres now proposed Merc may cause Red Bull more problems than Ferrari and Lotus are presently. After all Merc were clearly the fastest cars around the Barcelona track locking out the front row. :D
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I see no problem with the stops
The problem is (with F1).....there isn't any racing going on!!!!
The drivers are operating at 70% capacity. They are bored and the spectators are bored. The idea of supplying tyres made of chocolate was to improve racing.
There is no comparison with NASCAR (where spectators can generally see the whole track and the racing is ten tenths) or LeMans which is deliberately about endurance.
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I see no problem with the stops
The problem is (with F1).....there isn't any racing going on!!!!
The drivers are operating at 70% capacity. They are bored and the spectators are bored. The idea of supplying tyres made of chocolate was to improve racing.
There is no comparison with NASCAR (where spectators can generally see the whole track and the racing is ten tenths) or LeMans which is deliberately about endurance.
Couldn't agree more monty, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Artificial racing aids like DRS and KERS are fine (comparably) as they don't stop the driver putting his foot down, on the contrary. If this 'tyre-saving racing' carries on for too long I'll lose interest.
Hear that Bernie??
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Bernie has no control over the tires, you need to speak to Todt. And NASCAR is 10/10THs only from the start to the first pit stops and from the last pit stop to the end. The rest is just riding around as they say.
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If fans and sponsors desert the sport because of tyres, then Bernie's involved.
Anyway, he read the thread, got back to me and said everything's gonna be fine, everything's fine, the sport's never been in better shape and everything's fine. So that's good. :-)
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Geez, he never replies to me! |-(