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Title: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Steven Roy on February 08, 2008, 02:07:33 PM
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/champcar/news/159453-0/motegi_sticking_point_to_'08_merger?.html

It looks like there has been an outbreak of common sense in US single seater racing.  There is even a chance of a merger before the season starts in March.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 08, 2008, 02:52:59 PM
I'd like to see the two series unite, but there have been so many rumors about it over the past few years that I won't get my hopes up.

I see several things I don't like about the proposal. The best thing about Champ Car is the engine. The worst thing about IRL is the engine. Why exclusively use the Honda lump? Why not have a dual engine standard, like F1 did up until 1989?

Since Kevin Kalkhoven and Gerald Forsythe, the co-owners of Champ Car, now own Cosworth, what will happen to it?

Also, I'll loose my home race, the one at Burke Lakefront Airport in Cleveland. Why keep the Boring Charlotte Clone tracks from NASCAR (Kansas, Kentucky, Texas, Chicago) and give up Laguna Seca, Road Atlanta, Cleveland and Mont-Tremblant?

Tony George does a whale of a good job putting on races and running a fan-friendly series. I'd just like to see a few of these things worked out.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Dare on February 08, 2008, 03:45:48 PM
Cos said,. Why keep the Boring Charlotte Clone tracks from NASCAR (Kansas, Kentucky, Texas, Chicago


Hey pardner,watch it
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 08, 2008, 03:54:23 PM
Sorry, Dare, but just what the world didn't need was yet another mile and a half tri-oval. It's a nice facility but it's out in the middle of nowhere. The only thing near it is a BP station.

Have you ever made the trip up I-71 to see it?
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Dare on February 08, 2008, 03:57:27 PM
Sorry, Dare, but just what the world didn't need was yet another mile and a half tri-oval. It's a nice facility but it's out in the middle of nowhere. The only thing near it is a BP station.

Have you ever made the trip up I-71 to see it?

Actually I got free tickets to last years race but I
picked bowling over a IRL race on a lousey mile and
a half tri-oval :D
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Steven Roy on February 08, 2008, 08:21:02 PM
I don't see how they can change to one series for this season.  All the teams/drivers have sponsorship contracts in place.  Are the sponsors just supposed to go along with whatever is decided.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Scott on February 09, 2008, 09:58:59 AM
Yeah, it seems a bit quick to me to do it for the coming season - and like Steven said, what about sponsor contracts and such? 

Are Champ Cars doing so badly that they have to do this?  I like the idea of one open wheel series, but it seems to me that it is going to be on IRL terms.  I had thought that Forsythe and Kalkhoven were doing an ok job of it.  Losing road and city courses for boring ovals is sad.  I wonder what will happen to the Canadian races, especially since some of the IRL sponsorship is US only.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 19, 2008, 02:31:53 PM
This from AutoWeek's e-newsletter's Fast Alert, dated 19 Feb, 09:01 est:

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Reports of a deal between the Indy Racing League and the Champ Car World Series have reached their highest peak ever.

Champ Car teams were told to stop working on their Panoz chassis and prepare for delivery of the Dallaras they will use in the IndyCar Series in 2008 within days.

The first Indy-car test of the new season is scheduled for Feb. 27-28 at Homestead-Miami Speedway in Florida, where Indianapolis Motor Speedway boss Tony George is expected to hold a news conference if he hasn't already done so by then.

"There is so much to do I haven't been able to sleep," said Brian Barnhart, the IRL president in charge of competition.

It looks like this might be the real deal.

Cos
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Steven Roy on February 19, 2008, 02:41:02 PM
I read something quoting AJ Foyt yesterday or the day before which may upset the current harmony.  Tony George is giving the Champ Car teams free chassis and $1.2 million per car.  AJ is slightly miffed verging on apoplexy that he has supported the series from the start and is not receiving this package.  He has threatened to quit the IRL and take others with him.  He also pointed out that in his opinion the IRL gained nothing by the merger with Champ Car other than the participation of Newman-Hass. 
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 19, 2008, 03:53:14 PM
This just went up on Auto123.com:

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Indy Racing League boss Tony George's offer of free chassis and engines, plus $1.2 million for any Champ Car team that will contest the full IRL season is believed to have been taken up by at least five teams.

Newman/Haas/Lanigan, PKV, and Forsythe are expected to enter the IRL with two cars each, while Walker, Conquest, and Dale Coyne Racing are likely to field one each. Pacific Coast Motorsports are believed to be heading for the American Le Mans Series while the faiths of Rocketsports and team Minardi is not yet known.

Already, Champ Car veteran Paul Tracy is believed to be in Indianapolis for a seat fitting before heading to Homestead for the first IRL test of the season on February 27-28.

From Edmonton Grand Prix president Jim Haskins, earlier today:

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"I don't know who their source was but I would say it's questionable. Every spring it seems someone floats the merger, the financial difficulty rumours out there and at the end of the day both series continue to do business. Our event is solid and we're very busy planning for '08."

Gill Campbell, CEO and general manager of Mazda Raceway Laguna Seca, received a communiqué from Champ Car counsel Matt Breeden that said, in part:

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"We're (Champ Car) happy to confirm the May 16-18 race. I have not heard anything to the contrary. There has been lots of speculation and gossip. I'm sticking to what I know. That's (the word from the Champ Car counsel) the only fact I know and that is what I'm presenting to the board."


As for A.J., he isn't exactly know for being even tempered. I remember one time when he was driving, he jumped out of the car during a pit stop and started working on the car himself. He thought the pit crew was too slow.



Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Steven Roy on February 19, 2008, 04:06:25 PM
http://www.crash.net/motorsport/indycar/news/159781-0/foyt_id_throw_a_fit.html

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Veteran team owner AJ Foyt has admitted that he would 'throw a fit' if Champ CarWorld Series teams were given incentives to sign up to a merged American open-wheel series.

Discussion continue to rumble on about such a merger – albeit more in private than in the gaze of the public – with Champ Car teams reported to have been offered the incentive of free Dallara chassis and Honda engines from IndyCar Series chief Tony George to sign-up, with the added promise of the $1.2m bonus payment per car as part of the IRL's new TEAM programme.

While such an incentive would obviously appeal to Champ Car outfits eagerly awaiting the outcome of the merger talks, Foyt – one of the longest supporters of the IndyCar Series – admitted that it wasn't such a popular move amongst the existing teams and said he would 'pack his bags' if reports of the incentives proved to be correct.

"I would throw a fit and pack up my bags if that was true," Foyt told Motorsport.com. "And others may do the same."

Foyt added that he didn't know how the land currently lies between Champ Car and the IndyCar Series about the possible tie-up, although he did say that he felt there wasn't much to gain from a merger aside from extra cars on the grid.

"I don't really know [what is happening] as you hear this today and that tomorrow," he said. "I haven't talked with Brian [Barnhart] or Tony [George] about it, so I really don't know. I don't know whether the merger would make much of a difference, although we might pick up a couple more races somewhere. I do know it would be better to have one circuit than two; that would be a plus.

"The top names and owners are there [IRL] now and the only ones you would pick up would be Newman-Haas. I don't know of any American drivers other than Graham Rahal over there, plus Paul Tracy, who is a Canadian driver. Other than car count I don't know where you would gain."

AJ has never been known to be unnecessarily diplomatic.

I have seen footage of the incident where he pushed away his mechanic because he wasn't fast enough.  Incredible.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Dare on February 19, 2008, 05:28:41 PM
If the merge takes place looks
like Cos's Cosworth will be left
out in the open again
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 19, 2008, 05:35:00 PM
Looks like the Cleaveland race at Burke Airport is on the block, too.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Dare on February 19, 2008, 05:38:48 PM
Looks like Long Beach is out as it is the
same weekend as the Japanese race
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: Steven Roy on February 19, 2008, 05:56:58 PM
Long Beach is in and they are negotiating with Motegi to switch dates.  There are a few dates/tracks being shuffled.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 19, 2008, 06:23:42 PM
Speed TV is now reporting that the merger is a done deal and will be made public tomorrow, 20 Feb. Looks like this is it.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 21, 2008, 04:59:12 PM
21 Feb, 16:41 GMT:

The Press Association has said that there will be a press conference for 11am on Friday in Indianapolis where they will announce the long American open-wheel racing war has come to an end. It was delayed 24 hrs to allow Champ Car chief Kevin Kalkhoven to return from the UK. IndyCar will purchase Champ Car's "intellectual properties", including the historical database.

Speed TV is saying that the Long Beach and Motegi races will both take place on 20 April, and will both count towards IRL points. They say that the current IRL teams will run their Dallara-Hondas in Japan, while the current Champ Car teams will run their Panoz-Cosworths (  :yahoo: ) for one last time in California.

Most sources say that the Edmonton, Mexico City and Surfers' Paradise races will come over to the IRL schedule. No word as to what will happen to the rest of the Champ Car races, including Road America. Road America is one of the oldest and proudest road courses in the US.

Right now I’m telling everyone on our staff, it’s situation normal. The news is screwed up, but certainly if Champ Car were not to come to Road America this year we would certainly try to get whatever open-wheel series was out there, going forward,” Road America President George Bruggenthies said yesterday.

So far, not a word about it on the IRL, IMS or Champ Car sites.
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 22, 2008, 02:38:41 PM
Things don't look quite so good this morning (22 Feb, 09:30 EST, 14:30 GMT).

This just went up moments ago on The Detroit Free Press website.

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"We're closer than we've ever been," Champ Car spokesman David Higdon told the Associated Press on Thursday.

However, a joint statement issued late Thursday by the IRL and Champ Car suggested that more time will be needed for an agreement.

"The ongoing talks between the Indy Racing League and Champ Car World Series will continue into at least Friday in regards to the unification of open-wheel racing," the statement read. "Any confirmation of unification will be made once an agreement is in place. There are no plans for a news conference at this time. Much progress has been made toward unifying the sport."

This was up this morning on the IRL's website, IndyCar.com:

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Unification talks continue

The ongoing talks between the Indy Racing League and Champ Car World Series will continue into at least (Feb. 22) in regards to the unification of open-wheel racing.

Any confirmation of unification will be made once an agreement is in place. There are no plans for a news conference at this time. Much progress has been made toward unifying the sport.

Nothing at all about it on the Champ Car or IMS sites.

More as it comes in.

Cos
Title: Re: IRL / Champ Car Merger
Post by: cosworth151 on February 22, 2008, 06:09:56 PM
22 Feb, 13:00 EST, 18:00 GMT


From The Indianapolis Star:

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Another round of meetings is scheduled for today, according to IRL spokesman Fred Nation.
IRL founder Tony George and Champ Car co-owner Kevin Kalkhoven discussed unification of the sport during dinner at the Eagle's Nest, a restaurant atop the Downtown Hyatt Regency hotel, but they did not complete a deal.

Nation said there is no cause for concern even though a news conference planned for this morning at Indianapolis Motor Speedway was put on hold.

"Absolutely not," he said. "They made a heck of a lot of progress, but they're not over the hump yet."

The IRL is seeking full rights to Indy-style racing, including its history and trademarks. All future races will be held under the IndyCar Series banner, and Champ Car's owners are not permitted to operate a rival series based in the U.S.

From The Cleveland Plain Dealer:

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Mike Lanigan, the promoter of the Cleveland and Houston Champ Car races said Thursday he is "in a fog" like everyone else.

"I've talked to [Kevin] Kalkhoven, once, and Gerald Forsythe, once," Lanigan said of two CCWS owners. "The only thing they've told me is they are in discussions. No one has told me Cleveland and Houston are out, or that they are in, quite frankly."

Lanigan said he is for unification between the two open-wheel series, but it always has been with the understanding Cleveland, in particular, would be part of the deal. Last fall, Mi-Jack and the city of Cleveland signed a five-year race agreement through 2012.

"We have a huge amount of money invested in Cleveland and Houston," Lanigan said. "But the light at the end of the tunnel for us was always unification. That would bring Houston and Cleveland closer to profitability. I always thought Cleveland was near the top of their radar screen. And maybe that will happen. But I don't know anything right now."

Another sticking point is the schedule conflict between IRL's Honda 300 race at Mid Ohio Sports Car Course, and Champ Car's Rexall Grand Prix of Edmonton, both set for July 20. Reportedly, Edmonton has been offered July 27 or August 3. The Mid Ohio race has series engine supplier Honda as title sponsor, and is a short distance from Honda's major US facilities in Marysville, Ohio.

The Mid Ohio race is credited with the possible demise of the Cleveland race. It is only about 70 miles away and one month later than Cleveland.
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