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Author Topic: Views on the Spanish GP  (Read 3688 times)

Offline Monty

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #15 on: May 15, 2013, 01:00:41 PM »
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IMHO it's adding to the racing. The drivers now have to take tire management into consideration once again. It's one more variable that is at the drivers command. It's similar to endurance racing, where the driver must balance raw speed against the need to make the car last for the entire race.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion - even when they are wrong  :D

It cannot be right that all of the F1 cars were 'racing' at speeds slower than F2 cars (and F2 also have tyre problems!).

It isn't racing when even the 'raciest' drivers are afraid to attempt to overtake or block because it will ruin their tyre strategy.

It can't be right that a 'racing' slick now lasts less time than the old qualifying tyres used to.

It can't be right when a fully fledged F1 fanatic is watching the race from trackside and honesly has no idea of what position any of the cars are in during most of the race. The cars were so spread out in the middle of the race that it was easy to believe on some occasions that a Caterham was actually considerably faster than a RBR because there was no information to let you know that the Caterham had just fitted new tyres but the RBR was on old tyres (well they had done 9 laps!).

It is a JOKE !  :(

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #16 on: May 16, 2013, 06:17:16 AM »
If you let Pirelli build their best tire, they will build one that won't need changing, and Red Bull will finish 1-2 every race like Ferrari used to.  :sick:
Lonny

Offline Monty

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #17 on: May 16, 2013, 01:00:10 PM »
OK here is the new monty tyre rule:-
for the race only two sets of tyres will be provided.
Selected for the track there will be one Soft compound providing fast lap times but only capable of lasting approx. 50% of the race distance; and one hard compound capable of lasting approx. 75% race distance.
A second set of hard compounds will be available but only to be used in the event of punctures.
Still requires cars and drivers to 'manage' tyre wear but at least there will only be one pit stop for each car which will avoid the confusion that comes from 3, 4, 5 pit stops every race!  :crazy:

Offline cosworth151

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #18 on: May 16, 2013, 01:46:58 PM »
NASCAR fans keep track of 42 cars making 6 to 8 pit stops per race. Le Mans fans manage to sort out 56 cars in multiple classes making more pit stops in one race than F1 does in a season. I see no problem with the stops.

As Kimi says, the tires are the same for everyone. Teams and drivers can either adapt or lose. In any case, the current rule is doing what it was intended to do - get us all talking about Pirelli.  ;)
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Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #19 on: May 16, 2013, 08:21:39 PM »
NASCAR fans keep track of 42 cars making 6 to 8 pit stops per race. Le Mans fans manage to sort out 56 cars in multiple classes making more pit stops in one race than F1 does in a season. I see no problem with the stops.

As Kimi says, the tires are the same for everyone. Teams and drivers can either adapt or lose. In any case, the current rule is doing what it was intended to do - get us all talking about Pirelli.  ;)

Hear, hear! well said that man.  :good:

Instead of complaining Red Bull should be looking for ways to fix the problems the tyres give them, it's the same tyres for everyone - so just get on with it Adrian/Christian/Dieter.  :P

I don't recall anyone cutting Merc any slack last year when their cars were eating the tyres, in fact with the more durable tyres now proposed Merc may cause Red Bull more problems than Ferrari and Lotus are presently. After all Merc were clearly the fastest cars around the Barcelona track locking out the front row.  :D

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Offline Monty

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #20 on: May 17, 2013, 12:50:02 PM »
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I see no problem with the stops
The problem is (with F1).....there isn't any racing going on!!!!
The drivers are operating at 70% capacity. They are bored and the spectators are bored. The idea of supplying tyres made of chocolate was to improve racing.
There is no comparison with NASCAR (where spectators can generally see the whole track and the racing is ten tenths) or LeMans which is deliberately about endurance.

vintly

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Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #21 on: May 17, 2013, 09:35:44 PM »
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I see no problem with the stops
The problem is (with F1).....there isn't any racing going on!!!!
The drivers are operating at 70% capacity. They are bored and the spectators are bored. The idea of supplying tyres made of chocolate was to improve racing.
There is no comparison with NASCAR (where spectators can generally see the whole track and the racing is ten tenths) or LeMans which is deliberately about endurance.

Couldn't agree more monty, it's a disaster waiting to happen. Artificial racing aids like DRS and KERS are fine (comparably)  as they don't stop the driver putting his foot down, on the contrary. If this 'tyre-saving racing' carries on for too long I'll lose interest.

Hear that Bernie??

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #22 on: May 18, 2013, 02:51:40 AM »
Bernie has no control over the tires, you need to speak to Todt. And NASCAR is 10/10THs only from the start to the first pit stops and from the last pit stop to the end. The rest is just riding around as they say.
Lonny

vintly

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Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #23 on: May 18, 2013, 10:25:54 AM »
If fans and sponsors desert the sport because of tyres, then Bernie's involved.

Anyway, he read the thread, got back to me and said everything's gonna be fine, everything's fine, the sport's never been in better shape and everything's fine. So that's good. :-)

Offline Scott

Re: Views on the Spanish GP
« Reply #24 on: May 18, 2013, 10:32:23 AM »
Geez, he never replies to me!  |-(
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