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Author Topic: Gran Premio de España  (Read 9289 times)

Offline J.Clark

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #15 on: May 08, 2015, 04:44:34 PM »
Irisado, me gusta ser capaz de practicar mi español de vez en cuando así que habrá tal vez dos oportunidades esta temporada - y México.

Sometimes this race has completely surprised me with some very good racing.  I agree though on tires likely being foremost at this venue with regard to the outcome.  The three top teams have so far this season shown an ability to manage the tires fairly well though.
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Offline Irisado

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #16 on: May 08, 2015, 04:48:15 PM »
Tienes razón.  Se me había olvidado que hay un Gran Premio en México este año.  Necesito fijarme más a menudo en el calendario.
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Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #17 on: May 08, 2015, 10:20:50 PM »
There was me thinking a race back in Europe we were leaving artificially floodlit races behind.  :confused: 

Now we seem to have gone into a kinda Spanish twilight zone,  ::)
 - could someone switch on the lights please.   :D 
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Offline Scott

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #18 on: May 09, 2015, 07:18:46 AM »
There was me thinking a race back in Europe we were leaving artificially floodlit races behind.  :confused: 

Now we seem to have gone into a kinda Spanish twilight zone,  ::)
 - could someone switch on the lights please.   :D
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Offline Ian

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #19 on: May 09, 2015, 09:10:57 AM »
John and myself no speaka da Spanish.  :DD
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #20 on: May 09, 2015, 11:50:02 AM »
Qualifying is just over an hour away.
Free Practice 3 is in the books.
1.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 26.021
2.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 26.177
3.  Hamilton   Mercedes   1m 26.222
4.  Bottas      Williams   1m 26.682
5.  Raikkonen   Ferrari   1m 26.944
6.  Ricciardo   Red Bull   1m 27.048
7.  Massa      Williams   1m 27.109
8.  Verstappen    Toro Rosso   1m 27.132
9.  Kvyat      Red Bull   1m 27.313
10. Sainz       Toro Rosso   1m 27.809
11. Button      McLaren   1m 27.938
12. Hulkenberg   Force India   1m 28.082
13. Nasr      Sauber   1m 28.096
14. Alonso      McLaren   1m 28.304
15. Grosjean   Lotus    1m 28.578
16. Maldonado   Lotus    1m 28.618
17. Ericsson   Sauber   1m 28.788
18. Perez      Force India   1m 28.996
19. Stevens   Manor   1m 31.125
20. Merhi      Manor    1m 31.749
 
The top eight are separated by only a second.

RBR & STR are both going to be in the mix with Williams, as they struggle to maintain third in the Constructor's race.  I don't know, or understand Perez being so far off the pace of his teammate though.

Lewis not only slower than Nico, but Seb has inserted himself into the middle again, Ferrari are looking very good now.
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Offline cosworth151

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #21 on: May 09, 2015, 12:50:09 PM »
John and myself no speaka da Spanish.  :DD

¿Que?

I think Hamilton is sandbagging Roseberg. He'll go out at the end of Q3 & grab the pole just to further mess with Nico's head.
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Offline Scott

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #22 on: May 09, 2015, 02:15:06 PM »
Only one Merc driver can smile...hehe.  No point for me.
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #23 on: May 09, 2015, 02:36:51 PM »
It didn't work out that way Scott.  I thought you were right, but . . .

1.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1m 24.681
2.  Hamilton   Mercedes   1m 24.948
3.  Vettel      Ferrari   1m 25.458
4.  Bottas      Williams   1m 25.694
5.  Sainz       Toro Rosso   1m 26.136
6.  Verstappen    Toro Rosso   1m 26.249
7.  Raikkonen   Ferrari   1m 26.414
8.  Kvyat      Red Bull   1m 26.629
9.  Massa      Williams   1m 26.757
10. Ricciardo   Red Bull   1m 26.770

11. Grosjean   Lotus    1m 27.375
12.  Maldonado   Lotus    1m 27.450
13.  Alonso      McLaren   1m 27.760
14.  Button      McLaren   1m 27.854
15.  Nasr      Sauber   1m 28.005
16.  Ericsson   Sauber   1m 28.112
17.  Hulkenberg   Force India   1m 28.365
18.  Perez      Force India   1m 28.442
19.  Stevens   Manor    1m 31.200
20.  Merhi      Manor    1m 32.038
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Offline Scott

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #24 on: May 09, 2015, 02:56:16 PM »
That's what I meant about me not getting a point - I chose Hammy  :'(
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Offline Scott

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #25 on: May 09, 2015, 09:01:51 PM »
Oh no, did those pesky STR's outqualify both RBR's again?.  Christian will not be filled with joy. :crazy: :crazy:

5th and 6th with that useless Renault lump, eh?
« Last Edit: May 09, 2015, 09:04:18 PM by Scott »
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Offline J.Clark

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #26 on: May 10, 2015, 04:25:37 PM »
Well, the race was run.  It was fairly straight forward up front.
Hamilton messed up his start and Vettel took advantage.

Bottas drove a fantastic race to hang onto his grid position.

Kimi was stymied with a car he once again did not like.

Massa did well to get up to finishing in sixth.  He probably had the best start of anyone, but getting forced wide and off track exiting turn 2, basically screwed his race.  Too bad about his qualifying lap in Q3, in which he said the wind hit him in turn 3 and forced him off into the green and likely cost him .8 or better.

1.  Rosberg      Mercedes   1hr 41m 12.555
2.  Hamilton   Mercedes   +17.5s
3.  Vettel      Ferrari   +45.3s
4.  Bottas      Williams   +59.2s
5.  Raikkonen   Ferrari   +60.0s
6.  Massa      Williams   +81.3s
7.  Ricciardo   Red Bull   +1 lap
8.  Grosjean   Lotus    +1 lap
9.  Sainz       Toro Rosso   +1 lap
10. Kvyat      Red Bull   +1 lap

11. Verstappen    Toro Rosso   +1 lap
12. Nasr      Sauber   +1 lap
13. Perez      Force India   +1 lap
14. Ericsson   Sauber   +1 lap
15. Hulkenberg   Force India   +1 lap
16.Button      McLaren   +1 lap
17. Stevens   Manor   +3 laps
18. Merhi      Manor   +4 laps

DNFs
Rtd. Maldonado   Lotus    45 laps 
Rtd. Alonso      McLaren   26 laps

Sainz should have been made to give back the lap to Kvyat, as he left the track to keep for losing the position back, or so it appeared to me.  He argued that he made the pass and had to maneuver to avoid a collision, which is true, but undermines his own argument in my opinion.

So Rosberg has put his first win of the season in the bank, as we go to Monaco, a race he has won the past two times.

The gain Ferrari appeared in qualifying to have made relative to Mercedes turned out to be less than originally thought.

Williams appeared in the end to have closed on Ferrari more than Ferrari closed in on Mercedes.  Of course, Williams (Massa was the fastest in the speed trap) is very slippery, but Monaco is a very tight circuit with a lot of low speed corners.
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Offline F1fanaticBD

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #27 on: May 10, 2015, 06:09:29 PM »
Hero :

1. Without a doubt Nico Rosberg, he didn't put a foot wrong, made his team-mate sweat, struggle and eventually accept defeat. I could remember a race when Nico was this dominant, and Lewis looked second in every sort of manner.

2. Lewis, people may not agree with me, but he did keep me on the edge, and pushed really har. He might have stayed with the two stop strategy, but in the end took the plan B and made things interesting. If he had not botched the opening lap, he might have things a bit different, never gave up the fight.

3. Bottas, made good enough start to shoot himself around 4th and then keeping it till the end. Keeping Kimi at the bay for last few laps showed his abiliy to fight with big boys, and why there are rumors flying around that he might join Ferrari.

Zero :

1. With that much of budget, there is no way they could justify that pathetic display of McLaren. I expected some improvement from them as after spring break European season has began. But when a crippled Lotus can dispatch them so effortlessly, it just shows how dreadful the team has been.

2. Even though he could have been in the hero's zone, but due to some unlucky ball-bursting displays, eventually I have to putthis 2012 Spanish GP winner in th zero zone.

P.S Thanks Scotty  :good:
« Last Edit: May 10, 2015, 11:59:40 PM by F1fanaticBD »
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Offline Alianora La Canta

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #28 on: May 10, 2015, 09:32:15 PM »
Heroes

Grosjean's front jack mechanic - keeping hold of the pit board when being struck that hard by Romain, then performing his duties like nothing had happened despite a sensitive part of his anatomy being in a lot of pain, is the performance of the race for me. Romain said he's paying for his race team's beers tonight and they deserve it!

Rosberg - Nice work from Nico to convert the pole to victory.

Alonso - it was good to see Fernando bring the McLaren into a points position it isn't ready for, even if the ungrateful steed let him down in the end.

Zeroes

The FIA - imposed a rule at about 9 am this morning that a minimum of 90kg/h of fuel must be used per hour. This was wrong on so many levels - the lack of notice, lack of consistency between sessions, lack of ability for anyone to react to it, unequal effect on competitors, the completely defeating the original point of the fuel flow rate rule... ...but none of these were the biggest problem. Let me demonstrate:

- Teams have 100 kg fuel maximum. That was laid down at the start of last year.

- 90 kg/hour of fuel as minimum burn limit

- 100 kg / 90 kg/hr = 1.11 hours (or 1 hour, 6 minutes, 40 seconds for those preferring it in clock time)

The Spanish Grand Prix this year lasted 1 hour, 41 minutes.

I trust you can see the problem.

As no cars stopped on track around lap 44 with zero fuel, the rule appears to have been quietly shelved. But if you thought what you saw today was a bit dull, just think... ...it could have been worse if the FIA had had its way.

Grosjean - I've heard of team-bashing but this is ridiculous. First Romain hit his team-mate then he hit his front jack mechanic. At least he apologised afterwards, more than I ever expect the FIA will do.

FOM camera direction department - There were so many pretty-but-completely-useless camera shots in there, not to mention missing potentially interesting parts of the race to look at Bernie's favourite people. It could have been the most exciting race of the decade but it would have been difficult to tell from FOM's inability to cover the race part of the race.
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Offline Scott

Re: Gran Premio de España
« Reply #29 on: May 10, 2015, 09:32:30 PM »
I loved Hamilton's radio playback...'No, the question is, is it IMPOSSIBLE?'...'Yeah mate, it is'

It wasn't Lewis's weekend, that's for sure.  He struggled at Barca. 

During the Kimi/Bottas battle (if you can call it that), I noticed Kimi really had a hard time nailing any apexes, he always seemed like he had understeer and was late in and out of most corners.

Good race by Rosberg, Vettel and Bottas who did all they could, and all that was needed.

BD, are you talking about Red Bull or Mclaren in your 1. Zero?  Both could apply.

Not a great race by any standards, the top 4 didn't even really change position.  A few scraps in the midpack, but nothing outstanding.  Poor Crashdor had another incident that probably wasn't his fault again. 

I don't think I would want to be a front jack man in the pits these days.  Brake problems seem to be fairly common.   
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