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Title: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Dare on May 18, 2010, 04:28:04 PM

I agree,I could imagine if a driver vying for the WDC
damaged his car beyond repair in the last race of the season




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May 18, 2010 
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Profiles:Fernando Alonso | Stefano Domenicali Teams:Ferrari Ferrari team boss Stefano Domenicali is pushing for the ban on spare cars to be overturned.

Fernando Alonso had to sit out of qualifying at last weekend's Monaco Grand Prix because his chassis was written off in a practice crash. The availability of complete spare cars was banned a few years ago as a cost-saving measure. Now, teams may transport spare monocoques to races and build up a new car in the event that one is damaged.

But, even if there had been enough time to do so for Alonso, the regulations state that if a driver elects to use a new survival cell after a crash in qualifying or practice he must start the race from the pit lane. Domenicali said he agrees with cutting costs, but argues that in the case of banning spare cars, "you lose value in other ways".

"You cannot leave the spectators without the possibility of enjoying one of the biggest stars in qualifying," he told Spain's Diario AS newspaper. "We will discuss it with the other teams to see if we can change it [the rule]."

He added: "Nothing has been decided, but I hope it happens soon."
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Scott on May 18, 2010, 04:44:33 PM
I also agree with your point on the other thread.  The T-car is there, it just isn't built (they probably have enough bits to build most of two cars).  Why can't they just ship an entire car, and if they need bits, they take it off that.  If they need the entire car, they fill it with gas and send it on its way. 

How does forcing the team to work overtime building a new car up for a driver save money???   :fool: :fool:
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: stealthhaggis on May 18, 2010, 05:08:10 PM
Agree, where's the harm in having the t-car built and ready for use? I know space is tight in the garages at some races but they can store it out the back if needs be. Ridiculous that we can't have all cars out there if someone has a crash that morning.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 18, 2010, 08:22:41 PM
For a team like Virgin or HRT a spare car might be a problem, but I agree with Domenicali, if the teams are bringing all the parts to build a spare anyway, why not have the car ready to go. Put Alonso at the front of the field and who knows what happens.

Lonny
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: cosworth151 on May 18, 2010, 08:30:11 PM
I doubt that there is a team on the grid that doesn't have an entire car disassembled in their spares bins at each race. Why not have them ready when needed?
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: David on May 18, 2010, 11:02:24 PM
It might be about cutting costs in F1, but I say if the team can afford it let them have it. It's not as if a team like Virgin or HRT having a car knocked out of the last race of the season is going to greatly effect the out come of the championship.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: littledave on May 19, 2010, 11:15:02 AM
I have to completely disagree I'm afraid. Yes teams might have the parts there to build a third car, but all it does is put extra pressure on all of the teams to have one, leading to further expense.

Rarely does it even get to a stage where this situation comes up of needing a 3rd car so what you have then is 12 spare cars doing nothing all season.

"You cannot leave the spectators without the possibility of enjoying one of the biggest stars in qualifying,"


Well maybe if the driver that is on xxx amount of millions hadn't stuffed it into the wall, they wouldn't have to rebuild the car. It’s this snobbyness in F1 that is so irritating. If this was the Virgin team that needed a 3rd car, but it didn't best suit the will of Ferrari, I'm sure they would be the 1st to block them.

Don't get me wrong I would love to have seen Alonso in qualifying, and a 3rd car would be great, but it's just not needed.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Scott on May 19, 2010, 11:30:22 AM
It would probably save shipping costs to ship an entire car instead of 200 crates of spare parts, plus it would save hours by building it at the factory rather than the racetrack.  If Virgin doesn't have a spare bit of everything for one or two of their cars, they have no right to be on the grid.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Alianora La Canta on May 22, 2010, 04:59:57 PM
Since the teams all have a third car in bits at the track, it would seem reasonable to have the spare ready for use. However, to ensure that there's a point to having it there, I would insist that third drivers get to use them at some point each weekend, perhaps as an additional mini-race to entertain people on Sunday morning. Their qualifying would be done on the basis of their practise times (thus encouraging teams to use them for at least one session a weekend). If that's not good enough because that means some stars effectively missing a session, then reinstate the "third driver hour" on Fridays, but this time allow every team access to it (race chassis could be used, but no drivers on the race entry list). There wouldn't need to be points on offer, just some small prizes.

To me, this would solve several problems at once. All those bits that are shipped across the world have a purpose, the third drivers get some practise in the cars they may be called upon to use in F1, a small amount of inexpensive extra testing occurs, the crowds who attend F1 get slightly better value for money... ...and anyone who can't afford a spare car won't suffer for it because there would be no compulsion to enter the third driver race if a team did not or would not want to do so.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Scott on May 22, 2010, 08:18:21 PM
Way too sensible!   :good: :good: :good:
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 23, 2010, 05:26:22 AM
You should have run against Todt. ;) ;)

Lonny
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Alianora La Canta on May 23, 2010, 10:10:31 AM
Well, maybe I could... ...but then I'd have to pay around £32000 a year to commute to Paris twice a week, which considering the post is unpaid and I'm not a millionaire, could cause my bank manager to disagree.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Scott on May 23, 2010, 10:52:16 AM
Technically it's unpaid, but I believe they pick up all your expenses, including a nice place in Paris when you have to spend the night.  You'll have all our votes, whatever that means.   :good: :D :good:
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Alianora La Canta on May 23, 2010, 12:08:08 PM
They pick up expenses?!? Ooh, that changes a lot :)
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Cam on May 23, 2010, 01:58:08 PM
Whether the car is in bits or assembled isnt relevant, the rules dont allow the use of the spare car for qualifying.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: cosworth151 on May 23, 2010, 06:11:41 PM
It used to be allowed, and they should go back to that.

Ali, it's like most appointed political positions - what you loose in pay you make up in graft!  ;)
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 23, 2010, 11:43:50 PM
Well, if they change the rules to allow a spare car, they would have to change them to allow its use. Oh wait it's the FIA. :fool:

Lonny
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Jericoke on May 24, 2010, 01:31:12 PM
One thing that I really really miss in F1 is the first corner pile up, followed by the foot race to the garage to get into the T Car.  No other motorsport had anything like that.

Having a spare car on hand means that drivers can take greater risks at certain points, which would only increase spectacle, wouldn't it?
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: John S on May 25, 2010, 11:54:16 AM
Whether the car is in bits or assembled isnt relevant, the rules dont allow the use of the spare car for qualifying.

The rule was brought in as teams were using the T cars as race cars, they could put two different set ups on the car and then race the one that they thought offered the best chance. I agree that taking a pre assembled spare makes sense to save putting the track mechanics through hell for no apparent reason, but I think they should still keep the no quali rule as it keeps another lottery element to make the race more interesting. After all a shunt is a mistake by driver, his team or another driver/team so there should be a price to pay; that's motor racing surely.

Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on May 25, 2010, 04:33:51 PM
A shunt during quali, sure, he's out. A shunt during practice that can't be repaired in time, use the spare car.

Lonny
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Jugirl on May 28, 2010, 03:16:47 PM
A shunt during quali, sure, he's out. A shunt during practice that can't be repaired in time, use the spare car.

Lonny

I totally agree. Rules are rules but Alonso suffered and could have been much higher placed if a spare car was allowed. Crashing in practice should allow the use of a spare car. If you crash in qualifying though, tough, your mistake.
Jugirl
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: gato on May 29, 2010, 03:46:30 PM
Space cars are not bad idea if it make that sport safer! ;)
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: cosworth151 on May 29, 2010, 04:06:34 PM
One thing that I really really miss in F1 is the first corner pile up, followed by the foot race to the garage to get into the T Car.  No other motorsport had anything like that.

Having a spare car on hand means that drivers can take greater risks at certain points, which would only increase spectacle, wouldn't it?

That makes me think of the USGP in 2004. Juan Pablo Montoya's car wouldn't start on the grid. He ran between the race car and the T car 2 or 3 times during the formation lap. He finally started the T car from the pit lane. He was only a few laps from the end when they finally black flagged him for it.
Title: Re: Spare cars should return - Domenicali
Post by: Jericoke on May 30, 2010, 12:03:22 AM
One thing that I really really miss in F1 is the first corner pile up, followed by the foot race to the garage to get into the T Car.  No other motorsport had anything like that.

Having a spare car on hand means that drivers can take greater risks at certain points, which would only increase spectacle, wouldn't it?

That makes me think of the USGP in 2004. Juan Pablo Montoya's car wouldn't start on the grid. He ran between the race car and the T car 2 or 3 times during the formation lap. He finally started the T car from the pit lane. He was only a few laps from the end when they finally black flagged him for it.

I remember that.  Very weird.  Very irresponsible of the marshalls too.  If he'd caused an accident, injury or worse, it would've been completely on them for allowing him to go out.  (Of course, as a fan, we just want to see the guys race!)
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