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Title: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: monty on June 08, 2021, 08:55:45 AM
Yet again the Verstappens (junior and senior) have a lot to say, all negative and all pointless.
There is no evidence that the Pirelli tyres failed; All the other tyres that had done even more laps were fine. Add to that, the fact that Verstappen had tyres showing only 10% life left and he was still pushing fastest sectors, perhaps he and the team were partly to blame!
The whole RBR team seems to be more about snide soundbites than racing. I think they have completely forgotten that they are in a 'sport'.
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: Scott on June 08, 2021, 06:11:49 PM
Totally agree.  The tire life may have been around 40 laps, but putting in purples throughout the race is impressive, it’s not very intelligent.
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: Willy on June 11, 2021, 01:20:20 PM
Ok, Max can be a bit of a windbag like his Dad but.... the tires still failed on Stroll's car before the Red Bull and he was not going for fastest laps or pushing them overly hard.
Those accidents were not driver error or track debris issues, the tires failed at speed.
Pirelli needs to look into this as I'm sure they are.
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: Jericoke on June 12, 2021, 02:03:03 PM
F1 needs to be careful with people criticizing their tires.

We know that the Pirelli tires were intended to not be 'perfect' so as to spice up the racing.  Sure, the blowouts might be examples of defective tires, however when you design a tire to degrade, there's a good chance that it will.

Either Pirelli will start making indestructible tires, or simply get tired of taking the blame for doing what they were asked to do and leave the sport.

Much like Red Bull's problem finding an engine supplier after badmouthing all possible suppliers, F1 might have trouble finding a supply of tires.
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: rmassart on June 13, 2021, 09:32:19 AM
Much like Red Bull's problem finding an engine supplier after badmouthing all possible suppliers, F1 might have trouble finding a supply of tires.

Maybe Red Bull will buy the intellectual property from Pirelli and start making their own tires! Seems to have worked well for their engine. :)
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: monty on June 14, 2021, 11:31:07 AM
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Maybe Red Bull will buy the intellectual property from Pirelli and start making their own tires! Seems to have worked well for their engine.
...by poaching their staff by paying salaries two to three times higher  :confused:

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Those accidents were not driver error or track debris issues, the tires failed at speed.
Everything I have read suggests that Pirelli tests proved that the tyre failures were caused by debris. Other (older) tyres were also checked and were still in 'perfect' condition.
Title: Re: Max blames Pirelli for ‘life-threatening’ blowout
Post by: Alianora La Canta on June 14, 2021, 04:54:14 PM
Two tyres failed, and another one was very close to failing. If the cause is batch inconsistency or tyre inability to handle slight variations in how tyres are treated, having the other tyres hold up doesn't prove anything. The tyre graphic has repeatedly been shown to be useless (Hamilton's tyre at the 2019 British Grand Prix showed as having 30% tyre left after it exploded, whereas tyres routinely hit 20% and sometimes 10% with no problem). On the other hand, track debris could be an issue because the track was not tidied as thoroughly as I would have liked. We need a lot more information before we can either clear or condemn the tyres.

That Red Bull chose not to wait, given they already waited several days, is a shame. (Pirelli has not completed its analysis yet, which is due between now and Thursday; its interim suggestion of debris was a working hypothesis based on information initially available, even though it is not clear if debris was even plausible for both failures).

The 40-laps thing is a misnomer because that's meant to cover core wear-based failures, and Verstappen wasn't picking up signs of heavy wear prior to the crash. It could be wear-based specific component failure, or an interruption of the usual process (e.g. by debris or an unaccounted physical process like unexpected localised heat bubbles in the tyre shoulder).

F1's had a problem finding tyre suppliers for the last 11 years, but that's because the FIA insists on a totally unsuitable tyre specification document and only Pirelli is willing to put up with the problems associated with that. (Changes have been made at various points, but never to the parts that caused the actual problem). I suspect that if Pirelli had a decent tyre specification document to work with, they'd produce decent tyres, like they do the British GT and Ferrari Challenge.

The FIA is unlikely to allow Red Bull to make tyres for F1, even if it goes to the trouble of kitting itself out for that purpose. Rather, the Federation is trying to mandate single-manufacturer tyre supplies wherever possible "to save costs", and neither will it allow any potential replacement for Pirelli to change the FIA's control of the tyre specification document.
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