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Monty
December 08, 2021, 09:46:14 AM by Monty
Views: 74 | Comments: 5

https://www.planetf1.com/news/helmut-marko-saudi-arabia-incident-apology/
I wonder if he is under pressure from Dietrich Mateschitz. Marko and Horner (and of course Verstappen's dirty driving) have been bringing the Red Bull brand into disrepute. Perhaps they have been told to stop trying to cover up the obvious.
rmassart
December 07, 2021, 10:02:58 AM by rmassart
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https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/video.wolff-and-horner-react-to-hamilton-and-verstappen-battle-in-saudi-gp.1718349283995814023.html

In this interview Horner says the following starting at minute 7:

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I don't know what Lewis was doing...Obviously Max lifted, I don't know whether he didn't want to pass him before the DRS line or whatever it was. You can hear he's lifted, no unusual brake pressure or anything like that from Max. So very strange to have Lewis drive directly up the back of the car.

Of course Lewis didn't want to pass him before the DRS line, given that the last time Max let him past Max dived down the inside and immediately re-took the lead again.  It's not like the DRS line is insignificant, which is why Red Bull also instructed Max to give the lead back "strategically". This statement is just so false from Horner.

But it gets worse, he then lies. Claiming Max did not break, when clearly the telemetry shows he did and which is why Max got a pointless additional 10s penalty from the stewards.

I don't know how he can stand there in all openness and just make those statements. It makes him look a fool. But I suppose he's used to that...

Dare
December 06, 2021, 03:31:19 AM by Dare
Views: 44 | Comments: 0

The race is next week so don't forget your
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Wonder when the last time the winner of the last
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Jericoke
December 05, 2021, 10:54:47 PM by Jericoke
Views: 212 | Comments: 15

Much like Hamilton, my participation in watching the event in no way supports the government of Saudi Arabia, nor condones the values they espouse.

Heroes:
Lewis Hamilton - his 'Turbo Era' championships were seen as easy and boring, as he rode a dominant car to dominant victory.  His 2008 championship was anything but easy, his winning in literally every season was anything but easy, but to quiet his critics, he needs to struggle to win, and he is struggling to win.  He had a fast car.  He lucked into a pole position, he had the best teammate support I've seen him get in years, his team still made an unlucky call (they've done that a lot this year).  Once again, Hamilton and Verstappen battled hammer and tongs, and once again it was Hamilton who prevented race ending accidents as Verstappen tried to make dangerous (though apparently legal) moves.  Hamilton knows Verstappen better than anyone, and that is why he will be champion.  Even when Verstappen slowed to let Hamilton pass, yes, Hamilton hit him, but it could have been much worse if Hamilton hadn't already slowed to respond to what seemed bizarre behaviour.

A solid win for Hamilton, and another demonstration of why he's the best of the best.

Bottas - he'll be a footnote in the history of Lewis Hamilton, but he made the perfect teammate start today, ensuring that Max had no option but stay behind the two Mercedes cars.  Had the race been a snoozefest, Bottas's start would have clinched a 1-2 finish for Mercedes.  He could have passed Hamilton, but he did his job.  Then hunting down Ocon and pipping him for third at the last moment, that's a great move.

Ocon - It was a crazy race, he kept his nose clean and came very close to getting a podium.  He was outclassed by the 'big teams', but he was definitely best of the rest.  With the right opportunity, he could be challenging for championships.

McLaren - didn't get to see much of them on TV, but solid points finishes

Ferrari - again, not a lot of TV coverage, but the drivers were allowed to 'fight', and kept it fair.  It's easy to be 'fair' where there are no consequences, but still a good message to send.

Latifi - kept his nose clean for a 12th place, and finishing on the lead lap.  Perhaps not the send off Frank deserves, but a solid result for the 2021 Williams team.

Zeroes
Max/FIA.  The FIA has let Max get away with dangerous racing for so long, it's just part of the weekend now.  No one wants to see the championship decided in a crash, except for Max.  The FIA is in charge of setting/enforcing the rules, and I really feel like they've let us down.  Max CAN win without running his rivals off the road, but why bother when it's easier to just do that?  If Max wins a championship without his antics, I wouldn't be surprised at all.  But if he wins in 2021, I really feel he didn't earn it cleanly.

As for 'giving the spot back' to Lewis, it was ridiculous how much he tried to game it, giving spots back in such a way that he could immediately reclaim it.  My understanding is that when giving a position back you've got to wait 3 corners before restarting the fight?  Am I wrong?  And normally when you give a spot back, you pull over, you don't just slow down on the racing line.  Again, the FIA shares blame, there's got to be a better way to get information out so everyone knows what they need to know when they need to know it.  (I've wondered if a car to car channel would make sense.  Other sports the competitors are in direct communication.  Would F1 be better with on track trash talk being available?)

Mazepin - I know everyone said that Jeddah would cause a secondary crash as people slow down unsighted for a primary crash.  Mazepin just wasn't paying attention.

Perez - it was a tough place, I'd be willing to say 'racing incident', but he squeezed LeClerc.

Kimi?  - I didn't get a good look at Kimi/Vettel, but at this stage, unfortunately, I'd say it's Kimi causing trouble.

Other
What the hell was with the FIA 'negotiating' with the team principles?  What other sport does this happen in?  Are the FIA/Stewards in charge or not?  All due respect, I know that keeping everything safe (first) and fair (second) is difficult, but... it's your job.  Do your job, or step aside.  If you can't keep things fair, what makes you think you can keep things safe?
Andy B
December 05, 2021, 10:30:46 PM by Andy B
Views: 61 | Comments: 1

More my comments than Hero's and Zero's.

This track was always going bring out the Safety Car but two Red Flags?
My understanding is if you gain a place after leaving the track you give it back but you also have to return to the track in a safe manner which I don't believe MV did although VB returning in the same place did so.
Tyre changes and repairs under red flag stoppages to me is wrong as it can change the outcome of a season let alone a race.
I think it's a positive for the track.
Willy
December 05, 2021, 02:26:15 PM by Willy
Views: 69 | Comments: 4

I must admit I cheered when Max put it in the wall.
It is no secret I don't like him as a driver as he is a poor sportsman and follows the Michael Schumacher school of driving. DIRTY!

Merc had a great qualifying as both Lewis and Valtteri showed what the car can do in good hands.

I feel that if Lewis can win his 8th WDC this year, he can then spend the next year mentoring George Russell in the Merc as the pressure will be off of Lewis as he will have erased MSM from the top step.

Having Lewis as a teammate will benefit them both.
I will sort of miss Valtteri in the Merc thou.
Dare
December 04, 2021, 09:41:30 PM by Dare
Views: 99 | Comments: 6

It seems there was a one hour mistake in the starting
deadline for Qualifying. I apologize it was a honest mistake
and no I wasn't trying to rig the GG as a pm suggested. All the
person had to do was pm either Wiz or me with his pick.

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