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Author Topic: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line  (Read 924 times)

Offline Monty

Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« on: May 29, 2022, 05:22:12 PM »
Sky showed an in car shot that seemed to show the car cross the pit exit line but nothing else was said



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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2022, 05:26:52 PM »
Maybe Monty, Maybe Not. Stewards say Nay.
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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2022, 05:29:20 PM »
Interesting race though Monty, happy for Cheko.
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Offline Monty

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2022, 05:52:29 PM »
Ferrari are complaining- slam dunk break of the rule in my opinion.
The race was terrible! Pathetic delay at the start. Verstappen gets away with cheating (again). Overtaking was impossible. Slow stewards decisions (Ocon should have been told to give the position to Hamilton immediately after he tried to force Lewis off the track). Awful decisions by Ferrari. I will not miss Monaco if it goes

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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2022, 06:06:33 PM »
Ferrari are complaining- slam dunk break of the rule in my opinion.
The race was terrible! Pathetic delay at the start. Verstappen gets away with cheating (again). Overtaking was impossible. Slow stewards decisions (Ocon should have been told to give the position to Hamilton immediately after he tried to force Lewis off the track). Awful decisions by Ferrari. I will not miss Monaco if it goes

Must admit I nearly fell asleep waiting for part time Race Director to get his finger out at start of Monaco race today, but when it got underway I think it was one of the classics around the tight street circuit. I enjoyed it.  :good:

Always a trade off between risk and reward, RBR got it right Ferrari dropped the ball - it's as simple as that.

Trying to claim Max crossed the yellow line, which is marginal at best, only seeks to fudge poor decisions by Maranello pit wall; get over it Binotto your crew screwed up.  :P

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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2022, 06:21:30 PM »
Another race that showed me if you don't have the
superior car your just a racing mortal

And it showed me Mick won't be around long if he
doesn't stop destroying his car. Maybe greatness skipped a
generation
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Offline rmassart

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2022, 08:07:29 PM »
I will not miss Monaco if it goes

Me too, I no longer see the point in this race. I fully get the history and so on, but it's called race track for a reason and I can't remember the last time there was a meaningful overtake at Monaco. By which I mean deciding at least a podium position.

As for the race, we once again saw why Ferrari will not be champions this year. Normally over the rough and tumble of a season you win some and lose some decisions. I think so far Ferrari keep losing them!

Offline Willy

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2022, 08:37:48 PM »
F1 TV in-car shot sure looked like a line cross and they also talked about Checo doing the same thing as he came out.

Ferarri certainly pooched Leclerc's race by not bring him in for Inters as soon as Perez pitted. They screwed his race at that point.
Monaco always delivers some drama as it is so tight and almost impossible to pass. Ask Lewis as he watched the rear end of Alonso's car for most of the last parts of the race.
The Red Bulls were flawless and did not take a mis-step.
Other then the Ferarri statigy mistake the rest of the field were also-rans as usual.


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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2022, 09:38:58 PM »
F1 TV in-car shot sure looked like a line cross and they also talked about Checo doing the same thing as he came out.


Guess it's like Footy, Monty, on the line is ok - Over the line is out of play..... or Goal!

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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2022, 10:32:23 PM »
I saw both Red Bulls cross the line and am disappointed that such a clear rules breach was dismissed. That was the mis-step that would have lost the race had the rules been correctly applied.

It's bad enough that Charles lost a win due to problems with his own team, but losing the podium because of bad stewarding stings.

I saw lots of overtaking though, and lots of challenge. Monaco is an important race in the calendar as it stretches teams' and drivers' skill in different directions to other venues, and F1 should stop playing hardball about TV (which in my view would result in Monaco having worse coverage) and race fees (a more reasonable demand but I'm not sure how F1's going to get all the races it wants if it starts dropping them the rate it's losing them...)
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Offline Monty

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2022, 10:36:21 PM »
The race directors notes gave a clear interpretation of the rule last year - must stay to the right of the line i.e. touching the line is unacceptable. Yet today; for the fake Champion; actually crossing the line is still acceptable 😳
« Last Edit: May 29, 2022, 10:39:43 PM by Monty »

Offline Dare

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2022, 11:24:14 PM »
How many other drivers touched the white line? Only
Max and Perez
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Offline Andy B

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #12 on: May 30, 2022, 12:31:38 AM »
What Monty said to start with!
Does F1 build cars to race or do they build them around the limitations of Monaco?
With no meaningful overtaking on track by the front runners Monaco has to change which due to the nature of the place is difficult.
TV coverage is not as good lots of things being missed so maybe that has to change.
Drainage needs improving if it is so poor that it stops races running due to standing water.
If FA can run 3 seconds a lap slower than the rest of the field and not be overtaken it then gives credence to the dump the race call.
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Online cosworth151

Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2022, 01:22:06 PM »
I think that the problem with Monaco isn't the track, it's the gargantuan SUV's that Liberty & the FIA are trying to pass off as F1 cars. If they were any larger they'd have to make a 3 point turn to get around the Fairmont (Lowe's, Grand Hotel, Station) hairpin. Monaco is far from being the only circuit with overtaking problems.

There was no excuse for the protracted delay of the start. I can see giving the teams a few minutes to put on rain tires. The rain really didn't start until after the parade lap. After that they should have started the race.

I thought Alonso's performance was fantastic. I voted for him as Driver of the Day. We all talk about how a good driver should be able to get the best out of a less than great car. That's what Alonso did. (And, yes, Jarno Trulli is still one of my all time favorite drivers  :D  )

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Re: Monaco - did Verstappen cross pit exit line
« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2022, 03:33:17 PM »
I saw both Red Bulls cross the line and am disappointed that such a clear rules breach was dismissed. That was the mis-step that would have lost the race had the rules been correctly applied.

Now did you see the Bulls cross the lines Alia? Surely it depends on interpretation of crossing the line? FIA rules say, if Im not mistaken, crossing - not touching or being partly/fully on - lines.
I've seen no TV footage where either RBR car has a wheel beyond the yellow line. On it yes, but crucially not beyond it!

I think Stewards ruling that RD notes cannot overide written Regs has to be correct if the changes many have insisted upon following last term's final race are to be as meaningful as stated.

When judging if a car is beyond track limits Stewards look for inside wheels beyond the white line, many have escaped punishment by being partly on the lines. Not sure on the Regs wording for track limits, but line judging needs to be consistant across the piece, surely? Even Grand Slam Tennis treats balls on the line as in - anyone remember 'Chalkdust' the famous cry of McEnroe.

How many other drivers touched the white line? Only
Max and Perez

You may be right Dare.  :DntKnw:

However how many other pit exits do we recall seeing on TV showing that crucial final 15 metres from a decent comparative angle? Not that many from memory, and certainly not like the many camera angles that have been trotted out in Red Bulls case.

Oh - and the pit exit line was yellow, Dare.  ;)

« Last Edit: May 30, 2022, 03:36:16 PM by John S »
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