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Title: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: vintly on June 27, 2013, 11:04:23 AM
So it's official. I don't blame him, seven races in and he's been beaten by Seb in every quali and every race. Can't be much fun. Good luck to him. Article says Raikkonen is most likely candidate to fill the seat, I sure hope so! That will really test Vettel, and keep Red Bull right at the top for many years to come  :D

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/23074108
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Irisado on June 27, 2013, 11:55:58 AM
I was just reading that article before I logged in.

I'm surprised by the timing.  I thought that he would do one more season, but I don't blame him for taking this decision either.  I'd imagine he's had more than enough of the Vettel/Marko axis, and wants out.  He probably didn't feel like driving a team lower down the grid, so it makes sense for him to go.  I'll miss him, because he was always prepared to speak his mind about Vettel :D.

This opens the door for a Raikkonen move.  I think that will depend on how competitive Lotus is for the rest of the season.  If they tail off, then I think that Kimi might be keen to switch.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: F1fanaticBD on June 27, 2013, 12:47:06 PM
A tad bit sad, but what else he could have done. Since 2009 he has been regarded as the point sweeper of Red Bull while Marko's self-proclaimed prodigious whinner collected all the accolades, back-stabbed him time after time, used him to decoy their championship contender, and eventually ruined his own chance, consistently made cars that never suited him and the final piece of nail in the coffin, the Multi-21 fiasco, where the Blondie-whinner flew past him when the guards were down, and get away with it, as he is too precious for the team to take any action.

I think all his F1 career, Mark has been unlucky, not to achieve things he could have, he should have, seems like the lady luck desserted him at the penultimate stage, just in the final hurdle. He might have won a few Grand Prix compared to other people of his generation, but he has won million's people's heart, he will be greatly missed for sure.

Have anybody realised there is a pool of former F1 driver accumulating in WEC?
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: vintly on June 27, 2013, 01:29:31 PM
I don't think Mark's underachieved in F1. Not a TOP top driver, but in the best car - puts him between 3rd and 5th at the end of the year. Not bad, but if it wasn't Vettel beating him up it would have been someone else. Good luck, nice Aussie chap.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: cosworth151 on June 27, 2013, 02:21:19 PM
Very sad to see him go. He's my favorite current driver. I would have loved to see him go to another top team and kick Seb's backside.

F1 is looking increasingly bleak for next season. No Webber, no Cosworth, Vettel becoming a spoiled brat and the whimpering little mini motors.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Jericoke on June 27, 2013, 05:12:46 PM
To be honest I was never really a fan of Webber's.

I can certainly see why others have enjoyed his time in F1, and I've tried to like him, but I just got the feeling he never really fit into F1.  He was too busy being his own man.  Maybe in another era he'd have fit in perfectly.

For me, the last straw with Webber was when he covered up his sports injuries.  If he can't trust the team, not sure how he expects the team to trust him.

With that said... he is a fantastic athlete in all aspects:  he is talented, he competes hard, he's willing to make sacrifices, and he's willing to say what he believes needs to be said.  What more can you expect from a top F1 driver?
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2013, 05:38:19 PM
No surprise there.  I liked Mark, but more out of the car than in it.  I don't think he wanted to leave like Rubens did, and he had nothing more to prove. Didn't make WDC, but he won a bunch of races, and I guess winning Monaco is the cream of them all.  Plenty of drivers run an F1 career without even a race win, so he can be proud - and his Minardi 5th place in Australia is also a wonderful memory. 

If Kimi goes to RBR, it will be SOOOO much fun to watch.  I hope he does.  Still a RBR fan, and to have my man Kimi there - well, 'nough said.
 :good: :good: :good:
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Alonsofan on June 27, 2013, 06:00:59 PM
I think the time is right for Mark. Why move down to a lesser team?
He has achieved a lot in F1 and is a solid driver but always seemed to just not quite reach the heights he could, or maybe even should have.

As for a possible replacement, I seriously hope they do get a driver of the calibre of Kimi. It would finally prove Vettel is not all that he thinks he is cracked up to be.

VINTLY DON'T READ THIS PART....

Mark if your reading this, please, please, please, before you go, take Vettel out on your last race just to get your own back :D  :yahoo:
If you do you will go down as the (second) greatest of all time in my opinion ;)
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Scott on June 27, 2013, 06:37:24 PM
I wouldn't go so far as to suggest Mark take Vettel out, but if he does find himself in front of Vettel at any time during the rest of the season, I sure hope he makes the back end of his car at least as wide as the track.
Title: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: vintly on June 27, 2013, 06:44:51 PM
Heheh Seb'll just drive over him.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Alonsofan on June 27, 2013, 07:36:17 PM
Heheh Seb'll just drive over him.

How can he drive over him if he doesn't have any wheels left on his car mwahahahaha
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: cosworth151 on June 27, 2013, 08:41:14 PM
As much as I'd like to see Kimi get the seat, I think it will be Vergne or Ricciardo. It will leave no doubt how will be the #1 driver.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Irisado on June 27, 2013, 09:02:33 PM
What I'd love Mark to do is if Vettel has to pass him for some reason to win the title in one of the closing races, I'd love Mark to ignore the radio instruction, and say afterwards that his radio wasn't working ;).
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: F1fanaticBD on June 27, 2013, 09:40:20 PM
Good things seldoms happens, so Mark doing a proper farewell of putting SebVet into the wall will not be happenning  :'(  :'(

Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Ian on June 27, 2013, 09:46:24 PM
You are right BD, Mark wouldn't do it, but oh my, wouldn't  it be good, as long as noone was hurt.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: F1fanaticBD on June 27, 2013, 09:59:19 PM
You are right BD, Mark wouldn't do it, but oh my, wouldn't  it be good, as long as noone was hurt.

 :DD  :DD  :DD , I wouldn't mind if Vettel have to take for few months  ;)
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Irisado on June 27, 2013, 10:55:09 PM
No, no, I don't think it's a good idea to say anything like that, even jokingly, F1 is still classed as a dangerous sport, despite the sanitised circuits.

Just have Webber accidentally hold him up at a crucial time, or disobey team orders with a faulty radio.  Much more appropriate :).
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on June 28, 2013, 03:09:39 AM
I always liked Mark, he raced hard but fair and said what he was thinking without PC worries. But I lost some respect for him when he went mountain biking while leading the WDC with 3 races to run. If you really want to be a WDC, you don't engage in a high risk activity away from the track when you're in the position to win. That said, his wins at Monaco were world class. I hope a Le Mans win is in his future.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Dare on June 28, 2013, 04:26:15 AM
I agree with you Lonnie,when your leading the WDC you
need to have your priorities in line.Who knows if Mark would
have won the WDC that year would RedBull have treated
him differently.

On another thought I wonder what Vettel thinks of having
Kimi as a teamie?Does he have any choice in who his teamie is?
and I wonder how Marko would handle it.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: vintly on June 28, 2013, 09:16:51 AM
Good things seldoms happens, so Mark doing a proper farewell of putting SebVet into the wall will not be happenning  :'(  :'(

A good thing he could do would be to start putting in some second place finishes, like he's supposed to  ;)
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: F1fanaticBD on June 28, 2013, 09:25:29 AM
Well obviously that might have shifted the priority of RBR towards Vettel, but still over the years they could have given him a bit more friendly environment to flourish. Still a top act in the paddock, nevertheless

Come on vintly, he has done it for quite a number of years, didn't he? All we asking him to give us a farewell that suits him  :D
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: vintly on June 28, 2013, 10:24:45 AM
Well obviously that might have shifted the priority of RBR towards Vettel, but still over the years they could have given him a bit more friendly environment to flourish. Still a top act in the paddock, nevertheless

Come on vintly, he has done it for quite a number of years, didn't he? All we asking him to give us a farewell that suits him  :D

Only two podiums this year, and just one second place. Not good for a number two driver.

Believe it or not, I'd love Mark to take Vettel out, do something crazy, it would make for THE story of the year, and sparks would fly - fantastic entertainment. Maybe there will be some added needle between the two Bulls, now Webber's unshackled himself. He might perform better, create some action on track.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: F1fanaticBD on June 28, 2013, 10:45:11 AM
Well obviously that might have shifted the priority of RBR towards Vettel, but still over the years they could have given him a bit more friendly environment to flourish. Still a top act in the paddock, nevertheless

Come on vintly, he has done it for quite a number of years, didn't he? All we asking him to give us a farewell that suits him  :D

Only two podiums this year, and just one second place. Not good for a number two driver.

Believe it or not, I'd love Mark to take Vettel out, do something crazy, it would make for THE story of the year, and sparks would fly - fantastic entertainment.

Now that's the Vintage Vintly we all know & love, despite being a Vettel fan  :good: :good:

But I think as he is already decided to leave, the chance of better results are much less, as because the engineers will be knowing the aspiration is no more there, a tendency of imporving the car for the team instead for Mark's own will be far less. I would love see what you are asking for vintly but in reality its a very cruel place for such fairytale things to be happening.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: cosworth151 on June 28, 2013, 12:29:26 PM
I think Mark would be doing much better this season if RBR wasn't Team Vettel. The Porsche LMP1 effort is looking better & better.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: cosworth151 on June 28, 2013, 02:38:03 PM
BBC talked to Heikki Kovalainen during FP2 this morning. It seems that he has been talking with Christian Horner. Heikki & Christian have history together, so maybe he might be in line for #2 behind Seb.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Scott on June 28, 2013, 04:23:07 PM
I rate Webber a lot higher than Kovalainen.  However if they think he has more potential than we've seen of him in F1, then he might be just the 2nd driver that they can train while he is tail gunning for Vettel.  Plus he's quite a bit older than Vettel, so surely if he joins, he is joining knowing that there is no future for him at RBR beyond Vettel's reign. 

Please tell me there is nothing to this story.  The last thing I want is to have something screw up a Kimi move to RBR.  Maybe they are just trying to grind Kimi a bit in the negotiations.  He might be telling RBR that he will see how things go this season and talk in the fall, while RBR would prefer to nail down their second driver sooner than later.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Ian on June 28, 2013, 08:27:30 PM
We are allowed to joke on here Irisado.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Scott on June 29, 2013, 08:51:48 AM
Horner was unhappy Webber gave the team only minutes notice before he announced he was leaving.  I guess he figures RBR has always been very considerate towards Mark?   :fool:

http://www.planet-f1.com/driver/18227/8796312/Horner-disappointed-by-late-notice
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: cosworth151 on June 29, 2013, 12:29:31 PM
I guess that means that Horner was the only person in F1 who hadn't figured out that Mark wouldn't be with RBR next season.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Irisado on June 29, 2013, 03:23:33 PM
We are allowed to joke on here Irisado.

I'm allowed to say that I don't find the jokes funny, and will continue to do so when I feel that they are overstepping the line :).

Back to the topic at hand.  I find the Kovalainen story to be unlikely.  He had his chance at McLaren, and was found a little bit wanting.  He's a great driver to lead small, and midfield teams, but I don't think that this is what Red Bull will be looking for.  I think that they would rather promote one of the Toro Rosso drivers, if either ups their game for the rest of this season, but if not, then I think that they would go for Raikkonen, assuming they can pay him enough.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: John S on June 29, 2013, 10:32:43 PM

Sorry to see Mark go but because Kimi is headed to RBR it'll cause quite a few driver moves up and down the pitlane, which will be a good thing.  :good:

Dieter wants RBR to continue being the No 1 team so he'll insist on a proven winner to take Mark's place.

Rumour says Lotus will try to line up Maldonado in place of Kimi, as long as the Venezuelan big money backing continues.  ;)
   
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Dare on June 30, 2013, 12:12:31 AM

Sorry to see Mark go but because Kimi is headed to RBR it'll cause quite a few driver moves up and down the pitlane, which will be a good thing.  :good:

Dieter wants RBR to continue being the No 1 team so he'll insist on a proven winner to take Mark's place.

Rumour says Lotus will try to line up Maldonado in place of Kimi, as long as the Venezuelan big money backing continues.  ;)
 

It seems Dieter knew for weeks that Mark was leaving.Shows
who Mark respects and who he doesn't say that I blame him
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: lkjohnson1950 on June 30, 2013, 01:22:15 AM
Personally, I hope Kimi stays at Lotus. I really don't like R/B and would hate to see them continue to dominate. Kimi is already saying the money is good but other things are more important.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Willy on July 01, 2013, 12:38:52 AM
Sad to see Mark leave as he is a true sportsman and has been a fixture of a long time.
He did all he could in the pig of a team that was Jaguar after it was a decent team as Stewart Ford GP.
Mark, given a good car and team support has shown that is a race winner. He has had his share of teams where the other driver is the favoured son and he does not do well as second fiddle.
Hopefully he can be content watching from the pit and on the tele in his pub.
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: Scott on July 01, 2013, 07:23:00 AM
Personally, I hope Kimi stays at Lotus. I really don't like R/B and would hate to see them continue to dominate. Kimi is already saying the money is good but other things are more important.

WDC chances are likely better at RBR for Kimi as well. 
Title: Re: Webber to leave Red Bull
Post by: aazz on July 01, 2013, 12:07:38 PM
It's a shame to see Webber (who will I support next year?) go but I can understand why he would leave. Having to put up with Vettel and Marko would get on anyone's nerves after a while and a factory drive with Porsche is a pretty good option for someone in the twilight of their career. I also wouldn't be disappointed to see him get a couple over Vettel before the season is out.
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