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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Ian on April 22, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
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The stewards have decided that no action to be taken on all enquiries, Jake Humphries announced it at the end of the BBC's highlights programme.
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Good, 'cause it was all just racing... :good:
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Pretty queer decision from the stewards as the rule got tightened this year about leaving space for other competitors, and there is surely an automatic penalty for overtaking outside the confines of the track - unless of course you were forced there by an infringment by another car.
So if Rosberg is legitamately allowed to dangerously shut out other drivers at that point then Lewis must have gained an advantage whilst outside the track????? :confused:
This is how the stewards see it, oh and Nando's reaction :D, according to Autosport.com
The stewards looked into the matter and decided that because Rosberg had moved to the right to defend his position in a 'constant and continuous straight line manner' and because Hamilton was not alongside Rosberg as he began that move that the German did nothing wrong.
The stewards added: "Had a significant portion of Car 4 (Hamilton) been alongside that of Car 8 (Rosberg) whilst Car 4 still remained within the confines of the track, then the actions of Car 8 may not be considered legitimate."
Rosberg was cleared for his incident with Alonso for the same reasons.
"I can only say that if, instead of such a wide run-off area there had been a wall, I'm not sure I'd be here now to talk about it," said Alonso.
After hearing the decision, Alonso wrote on Twitter: "I think you are going to have fun in future races! You can defend position as you want and you can overtake outside the track! Enjoy!"
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Hmm, hope we ain't gonna get a car war.
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Pretty queer decision from the stewards as the rule got tightened this year about leaving space for other competitors, and there is surely an automatic penalty for overtaking outside the confines of the track - unless of course you were forced there by an infringment by another car.
So if Rosberg is legitamately allowed to dangerously shut out other drivers at that point then Lewis must have gained an advantage whilst outside the track????? :confused:
Seemed to me that the sand had as much grip as the track.
Not surprised about the decision. The FIA hasn't exactly been consistant with their rulings since (or before) Todt arrived.
Still, I said before it's just racing, which I think it was. imo
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Pretty queer decision from the stewards as the rule got tightened this year about leaving space for other competitors, and there is surely an automatic penalty for overtaking outside the confines of the track - unless of course you were forced there by an infringment by another car.
So if Rosberg is legitamately allowed to dangerously shut out other drivers at that point then Lewis must have gained an advantage whilst outside the track????? :confused:
Seemed to me that the sand had as much grip as the track.
Not surprised about the decision. The FIA hasn't exactly been consistant with their rulings since (or before) Todt arrived.
Still, I said before it's just racing, which I think it was. imo
I have no problem with the stewards being lenient, as you say it was racing and made for good viewing, I'm sure both incidents made most of us sit forward in our seats whilst watching. ;)
However I can see why Alonso is confused, last season when he and anyone else gained places exceeding the limits of the track they received penalties if they failed to give places back, even when forced out.
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John,I personally thought he pushed it bit too much and should have
received a penalty.
Problem is next race Hamilton does the same thing and is penalized.
They need full time stewards at every race.
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Problem is next race Hamilton does the same thing and is penalized.
They need full time stewards at every race.
That's the real issue, and the solution. Full time professional stewards who rule with some consistency.
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Thats too simple for the FIA, also it could be too fair for their way of thinking.
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This is the issue isn't it? Schumacher did something similar to Rubens a while back and was penalised. I think Hamilton's indecent was worse than Alonso in so far as the move on Alonso was legal as far as I could see, one move and block. The move on Hamilton was to force a car off the track. Now if at the next race Hamilton does it and is penalised it will be interesting to see what happens.
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We know what will happen don't we stealth, Hamilton will get punished.
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Sadly true
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Yeah, for a while I thought they were going to penalize Hamilton for allowing himself to be pushed off the track (4 wheels off rule). Whew. :o
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I'm surprised they never.
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Surprised Nico didn't get a penalty there.
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If the positions had been reversed, Hamilton would have got one.
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20 years back Ron Dennis asked "Where is the consistency?"
After 20 years, we are still asking the same question about the stewards, with all the logic and points for the debate..
And still we wonder, "Where is the consistency?"
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Surprised Nico didn't get a penalty there.
And the age old argument continues...should Hammy have lifted instead of going off track? I'm glad he didn't. :good: :good:
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Perhaps they are following the NBA's policy "NO Harm, No Foul". Since there was no harm, so no foul or penalty. If Lewis had held his ground and gotten hit, then they would have issued a penalty. Of course we can't be sure who would have been penalized. ;) ( There was a guy on Keith Collentine's site who clearly saw Karthekeyan swerve to deliberately hit Vettel in Malaysia. Guess his eyes are better than mine!)
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I'm surprised they never.
That's what I'm complaining about, if Nico did nothing wrong then what was Hammy doing passing him beyond the limits of the track and not getting a penalty? :confused: :confused: :confused:
I'm glad they never penalised Lewis, obviously, as I can't see what he did wrong.
Let's hope the stewards can keep this laid back approach to allow the guys to go hammer and tongs for places, although I sadly fear we shall see the return of stupid penalties all too soon.
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Until and unless there is contact, none should be penalised or investigated at all.. This is racing, and driver should be given every possible oppertunity to defend his position... Why cannot people live with this simple fact...Hypocrite stewards, don't even understand themselves what are they actually doing...
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The stewards got it completely right.
If you actually watch the incident, Hamilton was behind Rosberg for the entire time Rosberg was moving over to the side of the track, one blocking move which he is entitled to.
Lewis then chose to go cross country to get past. The fact that he got past with the celerity that he did is evidence enough that Rosberg didnt baulk Hamilton at all (despite his best efforts).
The thing that intrigues me about this manouvre is Hamiltons commitment to get past, in this case it was extreme, and questionable. In different circumstances, which will arise eventually, it is going to end in tears.
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I didn't actually question Rosberg's move, but Hamilton's. I thought after the fiascos of a couple of years ago when Kimi and others found paved runoff areas had enough grip to actually get an advantage over racing within the lines they made changes. They created that rule about making a pass with more than two wheels off the track. I thought Hamilton had all 4 wheels over the line when he passed Rosberg. I guess either I didn't see it quite right, or the stewards are only sometimes applying that rule. :DntKnw: :DntKnw:
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I didn't actually question Rosberg's move, but Hamilton's.
Well I knew someone would try to blame Hamilton.
Let me see, Hamilton was clearly alongside Rosberg on a really wide part of the track; Rosberg turns his sterring wheel hard right (considering he is on a straight and the normal line is as far left as possible); Rosberg continues to move right even though Hamilton is now wheel to wheel with him (when I raced that was called 'crowding'); Hamilton moves right to avoid contact and finally (and easily) drives past the much slower Rosberg but admitedly with all four wheels over the line for a short period. His options? Jump on the brakes (on a dusty track), hold his line and accept wheel to wheel contact with Rosberg (next to a concrete wall),?,?,?.
Obviously Hamiltons fault, again :fool:
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It ain't often I agree with you monty, but I do this time.
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Easy boys. I'm not a die-hard Hamilton fan, but I agree he's been picked on WAY too much by the stewards over the past couple of years, most often in his tangles with Massa.
I was thrilled that he made the pass, and as it's been said, was on the edge of my seat when he made it.
That said, what I mean is that when they announced there was a stewards investigation, I thought it would be towards Hamilton more than Rosberg based only on the 4 tire rule. Rosberg made one move as far as I saw, so I didn't see anything wrong with it, especially because as I recall Hamilton was not actually alongside him, but barely up to Rosberg's wheel. But Hamilton was committed, and if he had lifted, he would have had to wait probably a couple of laps for another opportunity. Glad he didn't, and especially glad because that was one of the most spectacular passes in the race.
Only questioning the stewards call. I'm glad he didn't get yet another penalty, and in fact I think the 4 wheel rule sucks because if you can make a pass stick outside the lines on gravel, sand, grass or just dirty pavement, then you get my thumbs up. :good: :good:
Of course Monty, if it had been Schumacher he passed, I would have been screaming for a penalty on Hamilton... :tease: :tease: :tease:
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:DD :DD :DD Love it Scott.
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Of course Monty, if it had been Schumacher he passed, I would have been screaming for a penalty on Hamilton... :tease: :tease: :tease:
You are simply great Scott.... :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD :DD
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Of course Monty, if it had been Schumacher he passed, I would have been screaming for a penalty on Hamilton...
and of course if the particular miracle of Schumacher legitimately being in front of Hamilton did occur and the raving cheat pushed Hamilton against the wall (like when he tried to kill Rubens) I would accept it with very little complaint :stop:
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Of course Monty, if it had been Schumacher he passed, I would have been screaming for a penalty on Hamilton...
and of course if the particular miracle of Schumacher legitimately being in front of Hamilton did occur and the raving cheat pushed Hamilton against the wall (like when he tried to kill Rubens) I would accept it with very little complaint :stop:
Hey I've just seen a whole herd of pigs skydiving. ;) :D :DD :DD :DD :DD