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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: Canada Darrell™ on November 07, 2010, 08:35:18 PM
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Really, I normally don't often dislike a driver for something said off track as it is often an out of context quote but Vettel's Brazil post race interview really struck a raw nerve with me.
Of all the low class comments to make about the upcoming WDC deciding race, he managed to come up with this gem...
"I don't wish anything bad for him (Alonso) but I wouldn't be sad to see some Ferrari smoke."
Sorry Vettel, that was the final straw for me. I've been on the fence for a while now but you've pushed me into the "Vettel Hater" camp. Perhaps when you grow up and aren't such a petulant prat I'll come back for for now, you're just another chump.
My 2 cents
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Really? I found it to be one of the least objectionable interviews, given that he ACTUALLY thanked the team properly, gave the proper dues to the other drivers and managed to not completely let the arrogance take over.
I personally saw the crack about Ferrari smoke as a bit of light hearted humour, but hey, I could be wrong.
Having said all that, I still can't stand the petulant child.
My half a cent...
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Right up until the actual quote that ruffled my feathers yes, it was a good interview. I dunno, wishing mechanical failure on your WDC competitor was just too much for me. Wishing it is one thing, saying it is another. It could have been a beautiful interview had he just sad something like "it's sure to be a good fight for the title in Abu Dabi".....
If I'm not mistaken, right after he said it Mark Webber had a look about him like "dude, you didn't really just say that did you?"
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Welcome to the club CD. :DD
If Alonso can't do it I hope Webber shows him who's boss.
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Webber all the way... then we can see a fantastic interview
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Really, I normally don't often dislike a driver for something said off track as it is often an out of context quote but Vettel's Brazil post race interview really struck a raw nerve with me.
Of all the low class comments to make about the upcoming WDC deciding race, he managed to come up with this gem...
"I don't wish anything bad for him (Alonso) but I wouldn't be sad to see some Ferrari smoke."
Sorry Vettel, that was the final straw for me. I've been on the fence for a while now but you've pushed me into the "Vettel Hater" camp. Perhaps when you grow up and aren't such a petulant prat I'll come back for for now, you're just another chump.
My 2 cents
I thought it showed a great sense of humour - sopmething you might have missed ...
Still I hope Mark puts it right next week and that Alonso's hopes do go up in smoke!
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Uhh, welcome to the site Mike. :P
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I was about to say the same thing myself David. Welcome Mike!
For the record, no the attempt at "humour" wasn't lost on me but I thought he crossed the line. He's said other things this year that have made me wonder if he knows where humour ends and class begins but the jury is in for me....he doesn't.
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I think this result of not playing any team tactics today has put Red Bull pilots in the driving seat for the WDC, they secured the constructors title but have kept both their drivers in the hunt to cover off the possibility of any chosen one having a dnf next race.
This was Vettel's day, he knows full well that a running order like today in Abu Dhabi will result in him letting Mark get by to take the title, so his cheeky remark about Alonso is right on the mark. I for one am fed up with just endless platitudes, Seb and others have brought a more light hearted feel to the podium press conference. We all know what he means anyway so what's so wrong about voicing it
Before anyone starts taking the high ground about Seb's dig at Alonso let's remember who is the benificiary, and possible instigator, of an outrageous cheat in the championship points. A far bigger no no in my view. :P
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What irked me most about the interview wasn't the remark about Alonso (mainly because I want to see a Ferrari smoke next race too), but his arrogance toward his teammate. He thought he should point out that he was 'managing the gap', instead of saying he 'had his work cut out for him trying to stay ahead of Webber' - which would have been the classy way to put it.
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What irked me most about the interview wasn't the remark about Alonso (mainly because I want to see a Ferrari smoke next race too), but his arrogance toward his teammate. He thought he should point out that he was 'managing the gap', instead of saying he 'had his work cut out for him trying to stay ahead of Webber' - which would have been the classy way to put it.
Yeah but it wouldn't have been true, at the end Mark fell back because he had used up fuel chasing Seb in the mid part of the race. Mark was warned several times by his team that his car was overheating yet he chose to keep trying to close on Vettel. 'Muddy Talker' Murray often warned "to finish first, first you must finish", still holds true, Mark was in danger of overcooking his own title bid, not smart in my opinion. In fact Mark was in danger of ruining the team's constructors title bid, some thanks for a team that has given him the opportunity to have a shot at the WDC and has kept faith by signing him for next year. There are plenty of drivers who would give their right arm for the RBR drive next year.
How come Mark never realised, after his own failure to beat Seb in Quali, today's result is a really good result for him because if Alonso is in 3rd in Abu Dhabi behind him and Seb, then his teamate will moveover to favour him. There is no circumstance in the last race when Mark will be asked or expected to yield for Seb. True champs calculate such things even during races, it's what makes then so good.
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Vettel is a cocky arrogant driver. he's not the first, he won't be the last. Hamilton and Button are gentleman, so we're a little spoiled to expect that.
There's no one who doesn't expect Vettel to wish for Ferrari smoke. It would be a lie not to admit it.
Worst case... a low class driver is fun to root against. That's what I loved so much about Schumacher.
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I personally doubt that Vettels ego will allow him to 'move' over to help Mark to the Championship, as far as Vettel is concerned it's his championship and that's that.
I truly hope he proves me wrong.
And Button is not the gentleman that people seem to think, after all it took almost half the season last year before he finally thanked the team, according to him it was always his work that dragged the team along. Lewis on the other hand has never forgotten the HUGE opportunity afforded to him, by ALWAYS thanking the team. Webber also makes a point of thanking the team for his results.
Just a thought though and I could be wrong.
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First, welcome aboard, Mike. Glad to have you here.
My feed cut out before the press conference. Sounds like I missed a good one! I've read the transcript. It reads like Seb was trying, however unsuccessfully, to make a joke. He can be a bit full of himself, but is nowhere near being the arrogant twit that Alonso is.
Besides, who doesn't enjoy seeing a stationary, smoking Ferrari? :good:
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Yeah but it wouldn't have been true, at the end Mark fell back because he had used up fuel chasing Seb in the mid part of the race. Mark was warned several times by his team that his car was overheating yet he chose to keep trying to close on Vettel.
I'm not sure where you found that out. I tried to listen to all the broadcasted radio transmissions, and have hunted the internet looking for quotes about Mark being short on fuel. His car was running hot almost the entire race, so that isn't news. After the SC, there simply wasn't any point in trying to catch Vettel - he had no chance. The team wasn't going to intervene to give Mark the place, and in so few laps to the end, even if he could catch Vettel, the world knows that Vettel wouldn't have helped him by, and the most likely outcome would have been a collision. More important that Webber 'managed the gap' to Alonso at that point. Mature decision.
In fact Mark was in danger of ruining the team's constructors title bid, some thanks for a team that has given him the opportunity to have a shot at the WDC and has kept faith by signing him for next year.
That's a bit of a stretch - he was no more likely to DNF as anyone out there. As for Webber giving thanks, Webber didn't have everything handed to him any more than Vettel did - in fact Vettel never had to put in the years at backmarker teams to show consistency that deserved him a drive at RBR - and don't forget that Mark was signed to RBR before Newey was, so there was no certainty that the car would become great. Webber simply surprised everyone by showing that he could take a car places that everyone only thought a young gun could. Which is why they signed him for 2011 after all. In fact RBR won the WCC in large part due to Mark's driving this year. Who should thank who?
How come Mark never realised, after his own failure to beat Seb in Quali, today's result is a really good result for him because if Alonso is in 3rd in Abu Dhabi behind him and Seb, then his teamate will moveover to favour him. There is no circumstance in the last race when Mark will be asked or expected to yield for Seb. True champs calculate such things even during races, it's what makes then so good.
Like Rom, I don't believe that there will be any circumstance that Vettel will move over for Webber unless forced to (i.e. they blow his pit stop). Vettel is a selfish racer, and not a team player.
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Yeah but it wouldn't have been true, at the end Mark fell back because he had used up fuel chasing Seb in the mid part of the race. Mark was warned several times by his team that his car was overheating yet he chose to keep trying to close on Vettel.
I'm not sure where you found that out. I tried to listen to all the broadcasted radio transmissions, and have hunted the internet looking for quotes about Mark being short on fuel. His car was running hot almost the entire race, so that isn't news.
About 6 laps from the finish Mark got a radio message from the team to say he was now free to increase pace as Alonso was starting to get close. The BBC commentary then went on to agree that Mark's engineer had just indicated he could ignore fuel management mode and manage the gap to Alonso. The BBC also threw in for good measure that all the cars start with less fuel than it takes to complete a GP at top speed.
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About 6 laps from the finish Mark got a radio message from the team to say he was now free to increase pace as Alonso was starting to get close. The BBC commentary then went on to agree that Mark's engineer had just indicated he could ignore fuel management mode and manage the gap to Alonso. The BBC also threw in for good measure that all the cars start with less fuel than it takes to complete a GP at top speed.
I understood that to mean he could ignore the engine temperatures and dial it up so Alonso could not catch up. I must have missed the BBC commentary about fuel management. But anyhow, that's their guess, which is not better than yours or mine. I haven't found anywhere in RBR or Webber quotes that fuel was ever an issue for Mark.
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Vettel is just like his hero Schumacher in that he is not a team player and never will be. He does everything for Vettel, not Red Bull, or that matter his higher points teammate.
Webber has the better chance to win the WDC so he should be given preferance over Seb but Horner is being so careful not to let anyone say he is using team orders he has let the pendulum swing too far the other way.
I agree with Canada Darrel that Vettel has no class but I can be found on this site saying the same about Schumacher as well and they are cut from the same cloth.
Yes, I understand the racers mentality and win at all cost attitude but you are still a team member and you did not get where you are alone.
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I agree Willy.....cut from the same cloth......yes, you are a team member but if you don't want to win your not an F1 driver. :P
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Come on people, I'm not a Vettel fan but listen to the first part of what Vettel said about Ferrari smoke......." We would'nt wish anything bad on him(Fernando)"
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In that case....I wouldn't want my neighbour to die a horrible painful death because he lets his dog bark all day but I wouldn't mind seeing the ambulance pull up next door! >:D :tease:
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Darrell, remind me never to upset you, :tease: :DD
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I understood that to mean he could ignore the engine temperatures and dial it up so Alonso could not catch up. I must have missed the BBC commentary about fuel management.
I guess if you listen to the BBC often, you might have become immune to Martin Brundle explaining that the cars don't start with enough petrol to complete the race at top speed for the whole distance. He brings it up every single race, usually in conjunction with a radio message about changing fuel settings.
It's a tough job, being a commentator like that. You need to explain what's going on to anyone who's new, but you don't want to bore your long time fans either. Personally, I'm a fan of Brundle.
And if Vettel is getting ahead of Mark while carrying more fuel... then he really is the better driver. Otherwise, if Mark's engineer can't figure out fuel consumption... well, even my Ford Fusion tells me how long before I run out of gas...
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Like Rom, I don't believe that there will be any circumstance that Vettel will move over for Webber unless forced to (i.e. they blow his pit stop). Vettel is a selfish racer, and not a team player
I'm beginning to believe that, like Williams, Red Bull does not care about the driver's championship. They might like Vettel to win it, but not enough to take an active role in securing it. Also, they may be waiting for the last possible moment to decide. If Alonso somehow gets knocked back and is not in 3rd as they approach the finish, and Vettel is leading Webber, Vettel wins the championship on tie breakers. If Alonso lies 3rd then only Webber can win, and only by winning. :crazy: I Think.
Lonny
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It was only the second time I have listened to the BBC feed in years, so no, I'm not immune...however if Brundle said that, and he is correct, then I guess all the cars were struggling with their fuel management to finish the race.
Look, my point was simply that nobody at RBR said anything about a fuel issue, either in the race or post race. Had it actually been an issue, surely someone would have used it as an excuse post race for why Mark couldn't catch Vettel. They didn't.
John was a bit harsh in his criticism of Webber in my opinion, and I was simply defending that.
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My point is that I think Webber used extra fuel whilst trying to chase down Vettel in the first half of the race which was fine whilst they had a big gap to the rest of the field. However the safety car threw a spanner in the works and Alonso was given a chance to close on Mark, where as Seb was able to pull a big gap in front. The engine temperature may have caused Mark to slow, but he had not backed off earlier in the race when he had a comfortable gap to third and he carried the problem from quite early on. Because Red Bull has won the constructors title the whole focus of their post race press undersandably has been about that, a small issue like fuel strategy especially as it did not change the result is unlikely to come up. I may appear to be hard on Mark but in my opinion he took an unecessary risk trying to match Seb's pace on the day.
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You're right - he took a risk - but I would say that it was Vettel and the team that created the situation where he felt he must take such a risk. Necessary for him, but perhaps not others. ;) ;)