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F1 News & Discussions => General F1 Discussion => Topic started by: greener_09 on October 13, 2008, 05:08:01 PM
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Is it just me or is everyone in charge of F1 obviously ferrari fans and doing what ever they can to stop hamilton winning the championship.Im not claiming to be an expert but if the experts on the tv and radio think that bourdais was not at fault when he made contact with massa then how can the stewards give him a penalty thus awarding massa another point.
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Maybe the 'stewards' are really pranksters, and have a little competition amongst themselves to see how many absurd penalties they can pull off before anyone notices. On this point they are doing a superb job. :good:
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Didn't you know that FIA really stands for Ferrari Infernal Assistance? ;)
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Being that Kimi didn't receive any favors last year, maybe they are Pro Massa? I seem to remember Bernie or Max saying some nice things about Felipe.
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I think that the F1 stewards are against anyone who is not driving a red car. Look at the Bourdais incident, they appear to have gone against Charlie Whiting's directions issued prior to the race. You have to admire their total incompetance. Doing a great job killing our sport.
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As Brundle said on Sunday F1 is becoming a nanny state and I'm getting fed up with it surely anyone with any sense can the difference between a racing incident and an avoidable accident.
There should be a campaign to get ex-drivers as stewards. :good:
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Is it just me or is everyone in charge of F1 obviously ferrari fans and doing what ever they can to stop hamilton winning the championship.Im not claiming to be an expert but if the experts on the tv and radio think that bourdais was not at fault when he made contact with massa then how can the stewards give him a penalty thus awarding massa another point.
It's not just Lewis it's positive colour descrimination, any colour is fair game except red. >:(
Maybe Bernie's involvment in the QPR soccer team has something to do with this, football refs are famous for their bad judgement calls. Unsurprisingly the main beneficiaries, in the English Premier league seem to be reds as well. :crazy:
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As Brundle said on Sunday F1 is becoming a nanny state and I'm getting fed up with it surely anyone with any sense can the difference between a racing incident and an avoidable accident.
There should be a campaign to get ex-drivers as stewards. :good:
I'm afraid that wouldn't work, because they might penalise red cars by mistake.
What a farse the whole thing is becoming. Last year was bad. This year Max the stripper and Bernie the clown have surpassed themselves.
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I get the impression that the FIA is against logic even more than it is against the non-Ferrari teams. It's been known to make decisions, particulary at the formal regulatory level, that make no sense and wrongfoot Ferrari (the single wet tyre rule in 2003 being such an example). And regardless of who wins or loses from a decision, the reasoning rarely works using internal logic, let alone in reference to what the situation or the wider regulatory framework demands.
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When the teams parade their 2009 cars, why don't they all do it together and have every car in a RED livery, the whole of the FIA infrastucture would be left in a permanent catatonic state and then we could get on with real F1 racing.
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STEWARDS AGAINST LEWIS.
Have pity on the poor buggers. If they don't Max will crack his whip and they'll be out of a job.
Strange how every reference to Max or the FIA reminds one of a circus and clowns these days.
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Maybe the other teams should gang together and arrange to have the Ferrari paint shop pain all the cars purple by "mistake"...
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Lewis took the front half of the grid off the road with him and in some way affected probably every single car on the grid, how nobody ended up with a broken car or worse is beyond me.
It wasnt as if he made a slight misjudgement and ran a bit wide, he got it so wrong he couldnt turn in at all and ploughed straight ahead across the track. If it hadnt been a tarmac runoff area he and many other cars would have been beached.
I think it was appalling driving at best and very dangerous at worst and deserved a much harsher penalty than recieved. Rather than being penalised becuase the FIA is pro Ferrari I think he got off lightly because they were terrified of being seend as anti Maclaren again.
cheers,
Cam
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Lewis missed his braking point and went straight on. All the others had to do was brake and let him go. That kind of thing happens all the time in F1. At the same corner DC had contact with two cars ad suffered a breakage that resulted in a potentially very serious injury. The stewards didn't bother investigating the cause of that. If you watch the video of the first corner it is quite clear that Kimi did a lot more to hur Kimi's progress than Lewis and it is also clear that Lewis in ahead before he locks up.
It was a simple driver error. Nothing more. If you want to see a driver force another off the circuit look at the start at Spa last year when Alonso forced Lewis off the road. No steward's investigation, no penalties.
The FIA is institutionally biased towards Ferrari and it always has been. Until Schumacher went there it wasn't a problem because Ferrari had been hopeless for a couple of decades with only a minor flash of success here and there which they managed to extinguish with stunning management decisions like sacking Prost.
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Being that Kimi didn't receive any favors last year, maybe they are Pro Massa? I seem to remember Bernie or Max saying some nice things about Felipe.
So the ten points he got in Australia in an illegal car were not a help in winning the title by one point?
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CAM. I hate to tell you this, but you're in an absolute minority this time.
We all saw the GP. We all saw Lewis dive in on the inside - something we have seen at least once from every driver worth his salt. He got it a bit wrong and went off, but he was ahead of the rest, including Kimi. If he wasn't he would have taken them all out.
If anybody caused the mayhem it was Heikki who drove Kimi off.
In my book nobody deserved penalties in that race - not even Massa who TWICE blatantly caused accidents. It's about time we stop this Poo Poo business with the drivers and let them get on and race, instead of trying to fix the results - in favour of Ferrari - every time.
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Johnbull, I’m happy to be in the minority, it doesn’t necessarily mean I'm wrong.
I think Lewis's ability to evaluate critical racing opportunities is questionable, Brazil 07 and Japan 08 are the most obvious examples, and his young (F1) career there are patterns emerging. There was a lot more desperation about that manoeuvre than a simple racing error or getting it a bit wrong. It was the sort of thing that a bully boy gokarter might be able to pull off, but in an F1 car he had no chance of success and deserved a penalty for stuffing up everybody else’s race (except Alonso and Kubica of course!)
Sure, Kimi and the others would have been a lot better off just pulling up normally and letting him fly through, preferably into the sand, but they didn’t, I wish they had. It happens a lot but mostly in a one on one deep into the race where the chap behind is becoming increasingly frustrated and the chap in front is fully aware of what might happen, I don’t think they had enough of an expectation that he would try such a thing at the start.
The only difference between Lewis and the emperor with no clothes is that Lewis is not the emperor yet.
cheers,
Cam
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The recent actions by the FIA, stewards, and now even his fellow drivers against Lewis Hamilton stink of RACISM.
I know all about racism because I'm a racist myself - I hate these illegal imigrants infiltrating our country and getting paid and fed for it.
No small wonder I have no faith in the FIA under it's present management.
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It was the sort of thing that a bully boy gokarter might be able to pull off, but in an F1 car he had no chance of success and deserved a penalty for stuffing up everybody else’s race (except Alonso and Kubica of course!)
The BBC five live commentary during free practise had some interesting things to say. Apparently Kubica told them he was glad Lewis and the rest overshot bcause he also missed his braking point and would have wiped them out if they had not gone off.
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JB, the racism is the colour of the car, NOT the driver, I think that happily we are all above that, I will applaud a driver whatever his race or colour. Lewis has made mistakes sure enough, tell me a driver that has'nt and I'll give you a million pounds.
Ian
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JB, the racism is the colour of the car, NOT the driver,
Can you think of another reason everybody seems so anti Lewis, because I can't.
Heikki's OK, and he drives a Macca. Everyone else is OK. It's just Lewis's blood everybody seems to be after. I would love to believe it's some other reason.
Anyone got any ?
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Can you think of another reason everybody seems so anti Lewis, because I can't.
I think it is because he is too fast for them and depite all the talk they could not live with him on equal terms so they are trying to de-stabilise him.
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Him showing them up is probably enough, but I also guess a lot of drivers saw him crack under pressue last season and are employing gamesmanship to try and do the same this year.
Almost all of them, presently sticking the knife in, have a vested interest in halting a driver who is probably capable of challenging Shumie's record number of titles. How would any of us fancy being second best for the next 5 years or more.
Sure they're all nice guys in F1, you don't get to earn millions and drive the top cars just because your nice you have to be able to win at nearly any cost.
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JB, I'm not a Lewis lover but it's nothing to do with his, dare I say it(colour), he is a darn good driver, but now I think he is trying to live up to all the hype over him, whereas if he just settled down again he could easily win the WDC.
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Can you think of another reason everybody seems so anti Lewis, because I can't.
Human nature.
People cant handle our heroes being seen to be flawed human beings. Trouble is we all are and in this www era you cant get away with anything. I often wonder how certain drviers from the past who are held up as paragons of virtue would look in the light of todays levels of scrutiny.
So when they fall from grace, ( and Im not saying Lewis has, but he is looking a bit wobbly) we are forced to make a choice, and rather than being able to judge events on their merits we either perpetuate the myth and make excuses or we condemn.
I think there is a compounding factor in that F1 fans had to put up with a deeply polarising champion for so long, then Ferdie came along and looked to be the goods, then he blew it and people desperately latched onto Lewis, even further compounded by the fact that he is british.
my 5c worth
Cam
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I became a Lewis fan when he joined the team and Q after Q, race after race, he obliterated the reigning 2-time champion in the same car. I couldn't care a less if he was chinese, black, or inuit - he got my attention and respect.
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This is the sort of weekend he needs to keep producing. Being so far ahead of everyone all the time that he doesn't even give them an excuse to complain.
Let's keep our fingers crossed he can repeat it in Brazil.
As far as driving is concerned he is actually in a class of his own. I had Kimi as my favorite to win this year but despite everything - for everything read the FIA, Ferrari, the other teams, the stewards, his fellow drivers, and even Lewis himself, Lewis has managed to stay on top. Let's hope he can keep it this way.
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Am I the only person checking the news sites every hour to see what penalties have been imposed?
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No :confused:
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You are not alone Steven. But maybe after the boring, follow my leader, penalty free race this weekend a bit of action will not go amiss in Brazil.
Is anyone brave enough now though to put any moves on fellow drivers?
Lets hope for closer racing & action as it's last day in the office for the guys in Brazil, some of them will have nothing to lose, points wise, and the cars are not required for next season.
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Is anyone brave enough now though to put any moves on fellow drivers?
YES. MASSA. Didn't you see that brilliant overtaking manouvre on Kimi. :yahoo: :yahoo: :yahoo:
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Hilarious eh? Kimi just reads the script over and over again "I did what the team expected of me...", while Massa lives in Neverland thinking he had a chance in hell against Kimi or Lewis today. I love the press conference - every time someone asked why he was so slow, he would say something like "I may have been a bit slower for a couple of laps but, but, but...yeesh, suck it up and just thank Kimi for helping out the team!