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Author Topic: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.  (Read 1946 times)

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Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« on: February 12, 2022, 02:00:49 PM »
Not everything stays banned forever, for instance ground effect is making a comeback for 22 season. Which if any of the outlawed tricks would you like to see back in the coming years?

For me they should have left tuned mass dampers on cars, seems the most road car relevant development prospect from the list. 

Wonder how many more genius innovations F1 may throw up in the coming years?  ;)



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Offline Jericoke

Re: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« Reply #1 on: February 12, 2022, 10:57:53 PM »
Not really covered in the video, but I've always wondered why 'moveable aerodynamic devices' are banned.

Was there ever a catastrophic failure of it?  Or a ridiculously expensive arms races associated with them?

I would agree that they can't be 'automated', that the driver would have to manually activate/deactivate them.  However, given how many things drivers are currently controlling manually, it doesn't seem all that big a deal (even if 7 time champions can screw up a 'magic' button from time to time)

Offline Dare

Re: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2022, 11:34:35 PM »
The wings on the cars in the late 60's got to be
a little or lot too much. Didn't some fall off the cars
and eventually banned?
Mark Twain once opined, "it's easier to con someone than to convince them they've been conned."

Offline lkjohnson1950

Re: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« Reply #3 on: February 14, 2022, 12:54:46 AM »
They were mounting them on the uprights, front and rear. Since the suspension moved, the mounts had to be hinged or flexible. Many weren't strong enough to take the load and they did break. The FIA banned high mounted wings and ruled they had to be attached to the body work, not the uprights. Took a while to get it sorted so you can see all sorts of wing combinations.

https://www.motorsportmagazine.com/articles/single-seaters/f1/how-f1s-high-wing-era-came-dramatic-end
Lonny

Offline cosworth151

Re: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2022, 05:21:57 PM »
The mass damper seemed like a fine, low cost, low tech idea, easily adaptable to road cars. Just was F1 (all racing, really) is supposed to be about.

Some of the ideas, like 4 wheel steering, sound like an absolute mess.

One note on the MotorSport article that Lonnie linked to. In Jochen Rindt's objections to high wings, he said, "Wings have nothing to do with a motor car. They are completely out of place and will never be used on a road-going production car." At that time, Mopar was already hard at work on the Dodge Charger Daytona and the Plymouth Road Runner Superbird (shown below in a color that was popularly known as Loud Mouth Lime.)
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Offline Jericoke

Re: Genius F1 innovations that were banned.
« Reply #5 on: February 15, 2022, 02:31:20 PM »

One note on the MotorSport article that Lonnie linked to. In Jochen Rindt's objections to high wings, he said, "Wings have nothing to do with a motor car. They are completely out of place and will never be used on a road-going production car." At that time, Mopar was already hard at work on the Dodge Charger Daytona and the Plymouth Road Runner Superbird (shown below in a color that was popularly known as Loud Mouth Lime.)

Let's be honest though, the Superbird was only sold because Mopar needed to build enough to race that design as a 'stock car', not the other way around.

Still, a hell of a way to sell a car!

 


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